Re: [wanabidii] Thatcher: Despised in life and death

Brother Matinyi,

While I agree with you on those being party policies, I know you know that Policies need leaders who can put them into action - BOLDLY - especially when then are either unpopular or hard to implement (given the timing). Only a leader can turn Party-Paper-Policies into tangible realities - in people's daily lives, pockets, tables, schools, hospitals, etc....

Nyerere's and Mkapa's CCM is not the same as Kikwete's CCM - though  they are all built on "Ujamaa ndiyo ndiyo njia PEKEE ya kuleta maendeleo ya Kiuchumi" (as Stipulated in the Party Constitution)!!!

That is why SHE is blamed more than the Conservative Party itself (which is ruling now), it's because SHE had her PERSONAL Role - Positive and or Negative!!

 

BILLEGEYA, Mussa,

Twitter: @MBillegeya

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From: Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com>
To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 8:28 PM
Subject: RE: [wanabidii] Thatcher: Despised in life and death

Mussa,
This had nothing to do with Thatcher's rule but capitalist policies of the Conservative Party which were the pillars of her party before she was born, and the reason why people elected those MPs in large numbers. Any conservative could have done so, but does this cleanse her of her evils? Just because your neighbor is so kind and very successful, does not give him a warrant to sleep with your 11-year daughter.
Matinyi.
 

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 04:38:15 -0700
From: msbillegeya@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Thatcher: Despised in life and death
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com

ALSO About Thatcher's Rule: 

"The percentage of adults owning shares rose from 7% to 25% during her tenure, and more than a million families bought their council houses, giving an increase from 55 per cent to 67 per cent in owner-occupiers from 1979 to 1990. The houses were sold at a discount of 33-55 per cent, leading to large profits for some new owners. Personal wealth rose by 80 per cent in real terms during the 1980s, mainly due to rising house prices and increased earnings. Shares in the privatised utilities were sold below their market value to ensure quick and wide sales, rather than maximise national income".... wikipedia

 

BILLEGEYA, Mussa,

Twitter: @MBillegeya

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From: Lutgard Kokulinda Kagaruki <lutgardk@yahoo.com>
To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Thatcher: Despised in life and death

Mjkuu Mobhare,

You made my morning, cause I laughed my head off, as I read through your post!!

I'm not an admirer of women only, but all people with outstanding intellect, authority and integrity!

You know I hardly ever challenge you, cause I know, when it comes to politics, I'm no match!! As a matter of fact I was wondering where you were all this time, after reading my post!!

Haya Mjukuu, nakubali yaishe; but remember, some people celebrated while we were mourning the death of our Father of the Nation; that's the world!!

Have a very good day. Bibi

 

Lutgard Kokulinda Kagaruki
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From: Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com>
To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: [wanabidii] Thatcher: Despised in life and death

Bibi LKK,
 
You have the right to admire Margaret Thatcher as she was truly a leader of her own kind and mesuare; and you being bibi, this admiration should not come as a surprise since you are both women.
 
However, here are some points to highlight:
 
1. Her openness, authority and everything of that nature, apart from doing good to a few, caused severe pain to many.

 

2. Yes, some Britons called her a "great leader" during her funeral but it was unfortunate that some wished her the worst of the worst at the same time. People celebrated in her own country, not anywhere else. Why? That sends a lot of messages, and surely, it will not happen to the people she scorned like Nyerere and Mandela.
 
3. Yes, she rescued her country; no problem about that, but others (who came after her including Tony Blair) did the same or more as well amidst worse challenges than she faced. The fact is, the UK had gone so low in the 1970s that even a zombie premier could have lifted that country up by a stroke of a pen.
 
4. Her success in the international arena was amplified by consrvative policies and the Cold War. She never brought anything new apart from looking and sounding brutal, tough, and ruthless. She did not coin anything anew; she just followed what the Americans wanted her to do.
 
5. That our leaders are what and what, yes, it is true but there is no relationship if the topic is just: Margaret Thatcher. How does one get cleansed because of someon'e else incompetence? Yes, our leaders are not serious today but she was evil.......both are not good!
 
6. You did not go to a good school in the UK because Maggie was the PM; you went there because you qualified.
 
7. Yes, there was no visa by then, but she was not the reason; all Commonwealth countries had agreed to do so unless otherwise, and the UK benefited a lot by getting chap labor until things got worse.
 
8. Those scholarships had nothing to do with her because London had agreed to assist her former colonies before she became PM.....remember Nyerere who went to university in Scotland before our independence, and many more who followed thereafter? It was one way of "ruling" us by offering us some goodies. Thus, she was nobody in that aspect.
 
9. She was not good to foreigners, and one of them explained right here: http://www.raiamwema.co.tz/margaret-thatcher-alitaka-aogopwe-kuliko-kupendwa.
 
Bibi, this lady was not a good person! But from personal exprience and observation surely you can praise her!
 
Matinyi.
 
 

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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 23:59:13 -0700
From: lutgardk@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Thatcher: Despised in life and death
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com

I admired Margaret Thatcher's openness and authority; she openly supported what she wanted/believed in and openly shunned what she didn't like/didn't believe in!! Most of those foreign leaders you think are "friends"; are nothing but mere cheats! No wonder they even give medals to those who are out to ruin our countries!!!

I watched the funeral ceremony from beginning to end, thousands of Britons came out on the streets to bid farewell to their "Great Leader" as they put it. Even Neil Kinnock, former Labour Party leader praised her! Parliament had to be adjourned so that MPs could attend the ceremony (in-spite of a few opponents)!

Most Britons praised her for uplifting Britain to its rightful international level; of course by achieving that, she ended up disappointing others like the mine workers. She also raised the British pound to its rightful position, defended it against the Euro and, to-date, it remains a strong currency!

I went to study in UK in 1989-90, Tanzanians didn't require visa to enter UK, neither were we being segregated, I was on the British Council Scholarship and was taken to one of the best schools. Were are all these today?

As far as I am concerned, she was much much better than most of our leaders who are not only ignoring the poor, but, stealing and, selling our land and its resources to the west! These are the ones we should be condemning!! They are worse, much much worse than Margaret Thatcher!!

Whatever her weaknesses, I admired the Iron Lady!! LKK

 

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From: Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com>
To: Wanabidii googlegroups <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>; Mabadiliko <mabadilikotanzania@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 6:15 AM
Subject: [wanabidii] Thatcher: Despised in life and death

Thatcher: Despised in life and death Mobhare Matinyi, Friday, 19 April 2013 11:10, The Citizen, Tanzania.  This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it The mean-spirited woman, Margaret Thatcher, the former British Prime Minister who was hated and loved in almost equal measure, the woman nicknamed by Soviet journalists as the "Iron Lady" because of her stubbornness, was buried on Wednesday. She died of a stroke on April 8 at the age of 87. Although the British government didn't accord her a state funeral, which requires a vote in Parliament, she did receive a ceremonial send-off with military honors in the same way as Princess Diana and the Queen Mother in 1997 and 2002 respectively. That is what befitted the politician whose death received cheers and toasts. Some high-profile dignitaries who it was hoped would attend her funeral declined, surprisingly including the Bushes, and expectedly, the Clintons. The former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev was reportedly busy attending to another important matter in Moscow. Thatcher mattered less to them at her death. The former US first lady, Nancy Reagan, 91, whose husband Ronald Reagan together with Thatcher formed then what could have been likened to the "axis of evil" in today's world, didn't show up as well. A staunch believer of the brutal Thatcher-Reagan right-wing policies, former US vice-president Dick Cheney, represented himself. Serving foreign leaders cared less about Thatcher's funeral with the exception of the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk. Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel dispatched her foreign minister, Guido Westerwelle, while President Barack Obama opted for a low-key presence sending two former secretaries of state from the 1980s, George Shultz and James Baker. A couple of former leaders who were close to her during her 11-year period perhaps to keep themselves busy invited themselves to the funeral, the likes of the former South African president Frederick W. de Klerk and the former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger. During her rule Thatcher managed to befriend only two African leaders, Kenya's Daniel arap Moi and Malawi's Kamuzu Banda, and while Banda is no more, for his own respect Moi couldn't have flown to London. The two leaders received enormous aid and foreign direct investment from London for being "good boys" at a time when almost the entire continent hated her. Africans don't condemn the dead but this time around I am not sure! No African leader bothered to fly to London to attend her funeral; they simply let their high commissioners attend if schedules permitted. South Africa in particular, sent the deputy high commissioner. Argentina's ambassador Alicia Castro was clear about it: no attendance, as she recalled how Thatcher re-took the Falkland Islands through war after Argentinean troops liberated them in 1982. Last but not least, Nelson Mandela's family openly snubbed the occasion despite an invitation from the British High Commission in Pretoria. All Africans still remember how terrible Thatcher was in supporting the apartheid regime in South Africa that jailed and killed many Africans. Completely far from reality, British Premier David Cameron argued the ceremony was "a fitting tribute to a great prime minister respected around the world." Come on, respected around the world? Yes, conservative Britons may respect her for lifting the UK from its knees when the world was referring to Britain as the "sick man of Europe", but nothing more. Listing all evils attributed to Thatcher may be too much, but let me recall a few. In her own country she hated jobless Britons; she fought with trade unions; despised immigrants; called the Irish freedom fighters terrorists; taxed people mercilessly; tortured prisoners; defended the wealthy at the expense of the poor; and totally divided her nation along minor ideological issues. Thatcher didn't care much about other people's lives. At one time she let ten hunger strikers from the Irish Republican Army (IRA) die in prison. No wonder that today in Belfast fresh graffiti read: "Iron Lady? Rust in hell" and "Maggie rot in hell." Too bad! But one thing I liked about her was her stance towards the union of her country, although she never liked the idea of one strong Europe with a single currency. This character was rare among many people and leaders in Africa, then and now. On the international stage, just like her partner Reagan, she called the South African freedom fighters terrorists, never understood other freedom fighters like the Palestinians and other Africans, harassed socialist and communist nations from South America to Asia, and kept spending huge amounts of money building a defense arsenal in anticipation of an imaginary attack from the Soviet Union. Eventually, Britons realized the world at large was right; she was not human like everyone else and dumped her in 1990. She maintained her strong personality to the end, which was never short of admirers until her last breath. She may not have had the power to influence world politics today, but still, the world is better without her! Good riddance Margaret Thatcher!

http://www.thecitizen.co.tz/editorial-analysis/43-sunday-citizen-opinion-editorial/30653-thatcher-despised-in-life-and-death

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