Bibi una jambo weye!
Ni hivi, siasa zetu si kama za wenzetu. Alichokifanya Musa ni kulinganisha tulivyo sisi na walivyo wnzetu wakati hatufanani wala hatulingani hata kidogo.
The Conservative Party of the UK has a permanent agenda originating from the right wing, and since the Labour Party had brought the UK almost to its knees with its leftist policies, the outcry was simple: Go back to the right. Thatcher did not bring any new idea but just decided to be firm on the existing principles. The UK is an established country under parliamentary system, and each party has its own ideology and principles, and all one needs to do, is follow them.
Tanzania is different, and certainly nowhere close to what Musa is portraying. Ujamaa is gone in practice, and we do not have national agenda per se, neither any party ideology whatsover, or principles, that are FIRM and STRONG; they do exist, but they are just there.
What Musa is referring to is just one thing in economics - the effect of buying a house. Nothing more. Why did they buy houses? Because of the party ideology. Remember, Thatcher did not run in the whole country; it was the party through its candidates - people chose the party based on its policies, and then the party elected her.
Do you really this house deal was brilliant?
Matinyi.
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Thatcher: Despised in life and death
From: mosesgasana@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 22:47:08 +0300
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Ni hivi, siasa zetu si kama za wenzetu. Alichokifanya Musa ni kulinganisha tulivyo sisi na walivyo wnzetu wakati hatufanani wala hatulingani hata kidogo.
The Conservative Party of the UK has a permanent agenda originating from the right wing, and since the Labour Party had brought the UK almost to its knees with its leftist policies, the outcry was simple: Go back to the right. Thatcher did not bring any new idea but just decided to be firm on the existing principles. The UK is an established country under parliamentary system, and each party has its own ideology and principles, and all one needs to do, is follow them.
Tanzania is different, and certainly nowhere close to what Musa is portraying. Ujamaa is gone in practice, and we do not have national agenda per se, neither any party ideology whatsover, or principles, that are FIRM and STRONG; they do exist, but they are just there.
What Musa is referring to is just one thing in economics - the effect of buying a house. Nothing more. Why did they buy houses? Because of the party ideology. Remember, Thatcher did not run in the whole country; it was the party through its candidates - people chose the party based on its policies, and then the party elected her.
Do you really this house deal was brilliant?
Matinyi.
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Thatcher: Despised in life and death
From: mosesgasana@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 22:47:08 +0300
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Acha yote yasemwe kuhusu uzuri au ubaya wa Thatcher.Hayawezi kosekana hayo, hata takwimu kama alivyozitoa Billegeya zipo kusupport arguments.BUT, Mama Thatcher hakuwa mtu mwenye utu, aliwezaje kuunga mkono ukatili wa MAKABURU miaka hiyo mbele ya damu na machozi ya weusi? Yule mama ni MBAGUZI, MKATILI NA HAKUWA NA HISIA ZA HURUMA KWA BINADAMU WANAOISHI KTK MATESO.
Ahsante
Moses
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Thank you very much Musa.
Mjukuu Mobhare, your comments please. LKK
From: "BILLEGEYA, Mussa" <msbillegeya@yahoo.com>
To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Thatcher: Despised in life and death
ALSO About Thatcher's Rule:"The percentage of adults owning shares rose from 7% to 25% during her tenure, and more than a million families bought their council houses, giving an increase from 55 per cent to 67 per cent in owner-occupiers from 1979 to 1990. The houses were sold at a discount of 33-55 per cent, leading to large profits for some new owners. Personal wealth rose by 80 per cent in real terms during the 1980s, mainly due to rising house prices and increased earnings. Shares in the privatised utilities were sold below their market value to ensure quick and wide sales, rather than maximise national income".... wikipediaBILLEGEYA, Mussa,Twitter: @MBillegeya
From: Lutgard Kokulinda Kagaruki <lutgardk@yahoo.com>
To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Thatcher: Despised in life and death
Mjkuu Mobhare,
You made my morning, cause I laughed my head off, as I read through your post!!
I'm not an admirer of women only, but all people with outstanding intellect, authority and integrity!
You know I hardly ever challenge you, cause I know, when it comes to politics, I'm no match!! As a matter of fact I was wondering where you were all this time, after reading my post!!
Haya Mjukuu, nakubali yaishe; but remember, some people celebrated while we were mourning the death of our Father of the Nation; that's the world!!
Have a very good day. Bibi
From: Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com>
To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: [wanabidii] Thatcher: Despised in life and death
Bibi LKK,
You have the right to admire Margaret Thatcher as she was truly a leader of her own kind and mesuare; and you being bibi, this admiration should not come as a surprise since you are both women.
However, here are some points to highlight:
1. Her openness, authority and everything of that nature, apart from doing good to a few, caused severe pain to many.
2. Yes, some Britons called her a "great leader" during her funeral but it was unfortunate that some wished her the worst of the worst at the same time. People celebrated in her own country, not anywhere else. Why? That sends a lot of messages, and surely, it will not happen to the people she scorned like Nyerere and Mandela.
3. Yes, she rescued her country; no problem about that, but others (who came after her including Tony Blair) did the same or more as well amidst worse challenges than she faced. The fact is, the UK had gone so low in the 1970s that even a zombie premier could have lifted that country up by a stroke of a pen.
4. Her success in the international arena was amplified by consrvative policies and the Cold War. She never brought anything new apart from looking and sounding brutal, tough, and ruthless. She did not coin anything anew; she just followed what the Americans wanted her to do.
5. That our leaders are what and what, yes, it is true but there is no relationship if the topic is just: Margaret Thatcher. How does one get cleansed because of someon'e else incompetence? Yes, our leaders are not serious today but she was evil.......both are not good!
6. You did not go to a good school in the UK because Maggie was the PM; you went there because you qualified.
7. Yes, there was no visa by then, but she was not the reason; all Commonwealth countries had agreed to do so unless otherwise, and the UK benefited a lot by getting chap labor until things got worse.
8. Those scholarships had nothing to do with her because London had agreed to assist her former colonies before she became PM.....remember Nyerere who went to university in Scotland before our independence, and many more who followed thereafter? It was one way of "ruling" us by offering us some goodies. Thus, she was nobody in that aspect.
9. She was not good to foreigners, and one of them explained right here: http://www.raiamwema.co.tz/margaret-thatcher-alitaka-aogopwe-kuliko-kupendwa.
Bibi, this lady was not a good person! But from personal exprience and observation surely you can praise her!
Matinyi.
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 23:59:13 -0700
From: lutgardk@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Thatcher: Despised in life and death
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Whatever her weaknesses, I admired the Iron Lady!! LKKAs far as I am concerned, she was much much better than most of our leaders who are not only ignoring the poor, but, stealing and, selling our land and its resources to the west! These are the ones we should be condemning!! They are worse, much much worse than Margaret Thatcher!!I went to study in UK in 1989-90, Tanzanians didn't require visa to enter UK, neither were we being segregated, I was on the British Council Scholarship and was taken to one of the best schools. Were are all these today?Most Britons praised her for uplifting Britain to its rightful international level; of course by achieving that, she ended up disappointing others like the mine workers. She also raised the British pound to its rightful position, defended it against the Euro and, to-date, it remains a strong currency!I admired Margaret Thatcher's openness and authority; she openly supported what she wanted/believed in and openly shunned what she didn't like/didn't believe in!! Most of those foreign leaders you think are "friends"; are nothing but mere cheats! No wonder they even give medals to those who are out to ruin our countries!!!I watched the funeral ceremony from beginning to end, thousands of Britons came out on the streets to bid farewell to their "Great Leader" as they put it. Even Neil Kinnock, former Labour Party leader praised her! Parliament had to be adjourned so that MPs could attend the ceremony (in-spite of a few opponents)!
From: Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 6:15 AM
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