Nifungwa wangu mdomo,na rafiki yangu Joni.
Nimebaki momomomo,kama kanipa kwinini.
Hata na mzee Jomo,yeye angesema nini?
Kweli hili leo somo,lazima nikae chini.
Tusigombane kwa hisa,pesa kwani zinamwisho.
Na kwa hayo makanisa,wapo wapi uamsho?
Jela myaka tisa tisa,na kazi bila ya posho.
Sishughulike kabisa,hawatoki mwaka kesho.
Tubadilishe maisha,tufanye kazi ya jasho.
Sio ninagombanisha,au kuleta vitisho.
Nimo kukuhamasisha,Joni sikupi mipasho.
Muungano umekwisha,sasa bora shirikisho.
...bin Issa
From: John Nkumbaruko <nkumbaruko@yahoo.com>
To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>; Said Issa <saidissa100@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 6:55:21 AM
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] CHADEMA - THANK YOU A THOUSAND TIMES!
Samahani bin Issa…………………….Mbona nyinyi ni waasi?
Punguzeni hivyo visa………………..Kwani bado hio gesi
Hamvunji makanisa…………………..Sasa mwapiga risasi?
Tusigombane kwa hisa……………..Bora Muungano basi!
//John Nkumbaruko
From: Said Issa <saidissa100@yahoo.com>
To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>; "matinyi@hotmail.com" <matinyi@hotmail.com>; Skywalker <yusuph.mhando@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:38:49 PM
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] CHADEMA - THANK YOU A THOUSAND TIMES!
Kaka Mhando,
>Ukiangalia huu mjadala ulivyoenda mpaka sasa utagundua kuwa wanabidii wameyakubali kwa PAMOJA mapendekezo yote isipokuwa hili la umri ndio kuna mgawanyiko. Kwa hilo tu nawapongeza chadema!
Wazee wanasema ..."silence is golden, but it doesn't mean YES!". Kwahivyo, ni mapema mno kuwapongeza Chadema.
Ni mambo haya kwa hayo kila siku na mwisho tunachoka kutoa tena na tena comments hizo hizo.
Kama unasisitiza tutaeleza kuwa katika mambo 7 ya Muungano ambayo Chadema wameyapendekeza yatakayokubaliwa na Zanzibar ni 4 tu, lakini 2 pia yanaweza kuengezwa, kama ifuatavyo:
3. Kutakuwa na Serikali ya Muungano ambayo itakuwa na madaraka juu ya mambo ya Muungano pekee. Mambo ya Muungano yatakuwa yafuatayo:
(a) Mambo ya nje yanayohusu masuala ya diplomasia lakini yasiyohusu ushirikiano wa
kimataifa;(b) Ulinzi na usalama
(c) Mahakama Kuu ya Jamhuri ya Muungano (Supreme Court of the United Republic);
(d) Uraia na uhamiaji;
(e)
(f)
(g) Masuala ya ithibati ya elimu ya juu
(e) Home Affairs
(f) Anga
Item (a) from the above list ni lazima itoke kwenye hilo Shirikisho/Muungano, kwani ndio uti wa mgongo wa ugomvi wetu, yaani ZNZ ikienda nje haijulikanwi na Bara ikienda hatupati kitu.
Item (b) tupo tayari kuengeza na masuala ya polisi na magereza.
Item (e) ni lazima itoke. From our experiences with BoT hatuamini tena kumuachia mtu mwengine kudhibiti hela yetu. Hapa itabidi msaidie kuanzisha The Central Bank of Zanzibar kama tulivyokusaidieni nyinyi kwa pesa zetu za EACB kuanzisha BoT na baadae mkatutoa kama ACT ya BoT inavyoonesha.
In fact, it will make more sense for Zanzibar to have its own Currency Board. After all, pesa mnazoziita nyinyi kuwa ni za madafu sisi hatuzipati mpaka tubadilishe Dollars or Sterling Pounds pale BoT.
Item (f) pia itakuwa nje ya Shirikisho/Muungano, kwavile item (e) ipo nje ya Shirikisho/Muungano.
Tunaengeza item (e) ili serikali ya pamoja isije kuwa weak kama alivyoelezea Bw. Matinyi.
Tunaengeza pia item (f), kwani mipaka yetu ya angani ipo karibu sana na kwahivyo itabidi tuilinde anga yetu kwa pamoja.
Thus, 6 items will be under the jurisdiction of our Shirikisho/Federation/Muungano/Confederation or whatever Bw. Matinyi will call.
With Home Affairs, Uraia, Uhamiaji, Defence, Mahkama Kuu na Anga, hata Bwana Matinyi hatosema tena kuwa hio serikali ya pamoja itakuwa weak kama ile ya USSR!
Chadema wakiyakubali haya mambo ya hapa juu basi itabidi tuwapongeze na kura zote za Wazanzibari katika 2015 watazipata na Inshaallah wataingia Ikulu!
...bin Issa.
From: Skywalker <yusuph.mhando@gmail.com>
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:59:34 AM
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] CHADEMA - THANK YOU A THOUSAND TIMES!
Ukiangalia huu mjadala ulivyoenda mpaka sasa utagundua kuwa wanabidii wameyakubali kwa PAMOJA mapendekezo yote isipokuwa hili la umri ndio kuna mgawanyiko. Kwa hilo tu nawapongeza chadema!
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:13:38 AM UTC+3, Bariki Mwasaga wrote:
--Nadharia nyingi tu zinazungumzwa kuhusu vijana jamani wanaorubuni mabinti wa shule kwa sehemu kubwa si vijana ambao wanaonekana hawana busara ya kuongoza nchi. Naamini kama Katiba itakuja kwa mfumo unaopendekezwa bado atakayekuwa kiongozi haatakuwa na madaraka makubwa ya kufanya atakacho kama ambavyo Katiba ya sasa ilivyo wazi na inavyoweza kuchangia kuwa na Rais anayeweza kubadilisha vifungu vya Katiba kama akitaka.
2013/1/10 Jovias Mwesiga <ngo...@gmail.com>Hivi kwa mfumo huu wa Chadema hamuoni kuwa rais wa muungano atakuwa tofauti sana na hali tulionayo kwa sasa. Anachaguliwa na bunge na baraza la wawakilishi i hope they should know better sidhani katoto ka miaka 18 kakiweza kuwashawishi kuwa kanafaa wakaridhika tutakuwa na shida na hapa naona uwezekano wa kupata hata rais mwenye umri wa mika hiyo 40 but mtu bora tuuuuuuu.Tusipoteze muda kuyafikiri ya umri hivi mwl. wakati anaanza kulamba majukumu makubwa kabisa ya kutuongoza alikuwa na umri gani vile?2013/1/9 alexander chipalazya <chipa...@yahoo.com>
Kafumu hilo nalo ni swali zuri kujibiwa kwawanao taka mgombea Urais awe na umri kuanzia 18. Tukumbuke kua Rais ndio nafasi kubwa kabisa ya uongozi wa nchi.
From: Dr Peter D Kafumu <kaf...@yahoo.com>
To: wana...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] CHADEMA - THANK YOU A THOUSAND TIMES!
waliingia madarakani kwa kuchaguliwa, kuwekwa, kurithi au kwa mapinduzi ufafanuzi ni muhimu.
--- On Wed, 1/9/13, Vincent Mhangwa <vmha...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Vincent Mhangwa <vmha...@gmail.com>To: wana...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] CHADEMA - THANK YOU A THOUSAND TIMES!
Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2013, 1:09 PM
Wafuatao waliwahi kuwa Viongozi wa Juu Wakiwa vijana:1. Jigme Khesar Namgyel WangchuckKing of BhutanDate of birth: Feb. 21, 1980Assumed power on: Dec. 14, 20062. Roosevelt SkerritPrime Minister of DominicaDate of birth: June 8, 1972Assumed power on: Jan. 8, 20043. Joseph KabilaPresident of the Democratic Republic of the CongoDate of birth: June 4, 1971Assumed power on: Jan. 26, 20014. Nikola GruevskiPrime Minister of MacedoniaDate of birth: Aug. 31, 1970Assumed power on: Aug. 27, 20065. Marcus StephenPresident of NauruDate of birth: Oct. 1, 1969Assumed power on: Dec. 19, 20076. Mswati IIIKing of SwazilandDate of birth: April 19, 19687. Mikheil SaakashviliPresident of GeorgiaDate of birth: Dec. 21, 1967Assumed power on: Jan. 25, 20048. Faure GnassingbePresident of TogoDate of birth: June 6, 1966Assumed power on: Feb. 5, 20059. Sergei StanishevPrime Minister of BulgariaDate of birth: May 5, 1966Assumed power on: Aug. 17, 200510. Dmitry MedvedevPresident of RussiaDate of birth: Sept. 14, 1965Assumed power on: May 7, 2008Vin
2013/1/9 Bariki Mwasaga <bmwasaga@gmail.com>
KitigwaTatizo huwa tunapenda kuzungumza sana wakati hali halisi ya Tanzania tunaijua, kijana au babu hawezi kujichagua hata kidogo bali wako watakaomfikisha hapo juu--
2013/1/9 F kitigwa <kitigwa@gmail.com>
Bariki
Hata akijitokeza kijana wa miaka 18 kugombea si atachujwa na chama chake kama taonekana kuwa yeye ndo anafaa kuwa mgombea wao na amewashinda wengine woote basi watanzania kupitia kura zao wataamua kama wanamuhitaji awe raisi wao watamchagua.
2013/1/9 Bariki Mwasaga <bmwasaga@gmail.com>
KitigwaWatu wanachukulia kwamba tayari tumempata mgombea wa umri huo. Hivi niulize tu je kuna diwani mwenye umri wa miaka 21 mpaka sasa?--
2013/1/9 F kitigwa <kitigwa@gmail.com>
Jamani mi mbona naona hoja hii ni nyepesi tu.
Hawajasema raisi awe na miaka 18 bali mtu akifikisha huo umri ana haki ya kuchagua na kuchaguliwa katika ngazi yoyote ya uongozi.
Kama wananchi wakiamua kuwa kijana wa miaka 18 awe raisi wa nchi watakuwa wameridhika naye kuwa anaweza kuongoza Taifa.
Mbona kwenye Maandiko matakatifu (Biblia) watoto wa miaka 8-15 walitawazwa kuwa wafalme tena kwa kuchaguliwa na Mungu chini ya manabii wake.
Kwa hiyo uongozi hutoka kwa Mungu, anaweza kumpa kipawa hata mtoto chini ya huo umri akawa ni kiongozi mzuri kuliko hata watu wazima wa miaka 50.
CHADEMA hawajasema raisi awe na umri wa miaka 18 bali umri huo unampa mtu haki ya kuchagua na kuchaguliwa katika ngazi yoyote ya uongozi na katika hilo nawaunga mkono kwa asilimia 100
2013/1/9 De kleinson kim <dekleinson@gmail.com>
Naunga mkono hoja ya Elisa katika kipengele cha umri.
Urais ni kitu kingine tofauti kabisa. lazima watu wakuelewe wewe ni
mtu wa aina gani, umri mdogo hautoshi kutuonyesha tabia, mienendo yako
n.k. achilia mbali kukomaa akili (nayo ni lazima) kama kuanzia 1990's
kungekuwa na uhuru wa media kama sasa hata aliyeko juu mwenyewe
asingeupata huo urahisi.
Mfumo ndio tatizo, sawa hatukatai, mna maana gani?? mfumo urekebishwe
ili rais abanwe kiutendaji lakini aendelee kula ujana club, e.t.c.
--
*"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory." Leonardo daa Vinci
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