Saturday 22 December 2012

[wanabidii] Re: HOMOSEXUALITY & MENTAL ILLNESS!



On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:05 PM, rahimu jabendo <rahimujabendo@googlemail.com> wrote:

Homosexuality brinksmanship

Sunday, 16 December 2012 07:02 By Independent Team
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Why pass a costly law you cannot enforce?

On Monday Aug. 6, America's top magazine for sophisticated high-end readers, The New Yorker, published an article online entitled, `Gay and Proud in Uganda'. Written by Alexis Okeowo, the story reported the first-ever Gay Pride Parade in Uganda at the Botanical Beach in Entebbe on Aug.4.

Can you imagine that the worst place in the world to be gay is having Gay Pride?" it quoted Kasha Jacqueline Nabagesera, one of the organisers of the Gay Pride Parade, asking.

Homosexuality is a crime under Uganda's Penal Code system and is punishable by life imprisonment. But as, The New Yorker story clearly shows,  the area police boss of Entebbe faced a dilemma over the Gay Pride Parade, which run through the night and ended on Aug.5.

 

"Hours after the parade ended," the story says, "police raided the gathering, supposedly because they had heard a gay wedding was taking place, and arrested three participants, detained a photographer, and demanded statements from others, reminding all of the threats that gays still face. The station police chief eventually released them, and celebrations continued in Kampala. On Sunday, closing events went as planned."

Obviously, although homosexuality is a crime in Uganda, law enforcers in fact face difficulty in enforcing that law.

Recently, Uganda's top tabloid, The RedPepper, has been running photographs of a man it says is involved in homosexual activities, including with minors.

Under a new law that the Speaker of Parliament has promised to fast-track through parliament as a `Christmas gift' to Ugandans, such activity would be punishable by death.  But when the head of the government's information bureau, the Uganda Media Centre, Fred Opolot, and the police were asked by journalists what action they plan to take against the suspect, neither of them spoke directly about homosexuality. Instead, Opolot said, the suspect was being hunted for sexually assaulting minors.

Despite challenges in enforcing the current law, which was enacted in the 1950s, a proposed amendment to the Penal Code seeks the death penalty for some incidences of homosexuality.

The proposed law has been widely praised locally, while abroad, it has drawn mainly criticism. Some countries that support Uganda financially have threatened to cut aid, and issue travel bans upon its promoters, if it is passed.

Although, the main mover of the Bill, Ndorwa MP, David Bahati says the death penalty has been expunged from the proposed law, there appears to be no backing down despite the international pressure.  The question of course is why some Ugandan MPs and the government would invest so much in passing a law they are unlikely to enforce and where the stakes are quite high?

Kill the Gays Capital

In November, the US Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs, Johnnie Carson, was in Uganda and met President Yoweri Museveni.

A US State Department spokeswoman, Victoria Nuland, told journalists in Washington that Carson had reiterated to Museveni, the American government's "vocal" concerns about the Anti-Homosexuality Bill.

Nuland told the press: "Our understanding is that a version of the bill has now passed a committee in Uganda. As we have regularly said, we call on the parliament in Uganda to look very carefully at this, because Uganda's own human rights council has made clear that if this were to pass, it would put the country out of compliance with its own international human rights obligations.

And so Assistant Secretary Carson had a chance to make that point again and our strong opposition to this, to the president, to the parliament, and to key decision makers in Uganda."

Nuland explained that Carson had made this point to the Speaker of Parliament, Rebecca Kadaga, who is now at the forefront of passing this law. Kadaga, who boisterously defended Uganda's anti-gay stance at a summit in Canada recently, returned to a heroine's welcome at home. Although it now appears unlikely, Kadaga has consistently pledged to pass the new anti-gay law as a "Christmas gift" to Ugandans.

All this activity and anticipation of the Bill passing in parliament has brought renewed interest in the issue of homosexuality in Uganda.

It is not clear how big the homosexual population is in Uganda, but the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) community is quite visible, especially in cyber space. In 2007, a BBC survey said there were about 500,000 gay people in Uganda, among the highest population of all 45 countries surveyed.

The same survey found that up to 11% of Ugandans were tolerant of homosexuality, compared to just one per cent of the other East African countries. It is, therefore, unclear how Uganda has come to be the capital of the "Kill the Gays movement".

Film with a view

For some gay scene observers, Dec.15 could mark another milestone in the ever evolving gay debate in Uganda.

On that day, a young but prolific short-film maker, Hassan Kamoga, is set to launch a short film feature on the subject of homosexuality titled "My Opinion".

The young film graduate used his 2010 Sony Ericsson U5i Vivaz mobile phone to create the short documentary.

Sarah Namulondo, The Independent's reporter who got a sneak preview of the really short documentary says, "My Opinion," is really about freedom to speak out on the once taboo subject and raise issues around it from the public's view.

Issues raised include the proposal to hang gays, and homosexual specific health considerations in a country with an impoverished medical system.

"My Opinion is a film that could give a clear view on whether it is relevant for the Bill on homosexuality to be passed," says Namulondo.

Business pressure

Meanwhile, international pressure against the Bill is not abating.

By Dec. 10 over 500, 000 people had signed a petition on the global petition platform, Change.org, to Citibank and Barclays; two of the largest banks in the world with major operations in Uganda, to condemn Uganda's anti-gay Bill.

According to the petition, Citibank and Barclays are well known for supporting their LGBT employees and protecting their employees and customers from anti-gay discrimination.

Citibank is a huge supporter of LGBT groups in the United States, and has received a 100% rating from the Human Rights Campaign's Corporate Equality Index. And this year Stonewall named Barclays the most LGBT-friendly company in all of Scotland, and the bank is regularly ranked as one of the best companies for LGBT people to work for in the world.

Citibank has nearly US$300 million in assets invested Uganda, and is a major leader in a U.S. Chamber of Commerce based in Kampala.  Barclays is Uganda's third largest bank, with more than 1,000 employees in the country and 51 branches throughout the nation.

The soft drink giant Pepsi, whose local franchise has a big share of Uganda's soft-drinks market, is also being pressured to take a stance on LGBT rights and the Bill.

SumOfus, an American-based work-place rights movement, is petitioning Pepsi to use its influence in Uganda to oppose the Bill.

The petition, which currently has over 100,000 signatures, notes that if Pepsi were to speak out against the bill, it would "force Ugandan officials to put the bill on hold -- or even pull it entirely."

"As citizen-consumers, we have tremendous influence over Pepsi," the SumOfus organisers write. "It has customers all over the world -- meaning that, unlike the MPs in Uganda who are pushing this bill, Pepsi cares what we think and say about them.

And for this piece of legislation, our position is clear – Pepsi must use its power as a major company in Uganda to communicate clearly to Ugandan legislators that this hateful Bill must be stopped."

American President Barack Obama and US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have already spoken out against the Bill. Clinton specifically condemned the 2011 murder of a member of the Ugandan gay community, David Kato, and this year honoured Sexual Minorities Uganda (SMUG) Executive Director, Frank Mugisha, and other Ugandan human rights advocates at the U.S. Embassy in Kampala.

Obama and British Prime Minister David Cameron have also suggested the allocation of international aid should hinge upon a country's record on LGBT rights.

Gay battle ground

All this pressure mean Uganda has effectively become a hostage to foreign interests and a battle ground for the pro- and anti- fringes of the gay debate.

During World AIDS Day on Dec.1, a small group of protesters camped at Uganda's Embassy in Washington DC and brandished a banner that read: "Reject Uganda Homophobia".

In an interview with a local paper, they say their action was driven by what they feel is the role American evangelicals are playing in promoting homophobic attitudes in Uganda. They say, Bahati who introduced the bill in 2009, has ties with a group known as The Family.

"I just feel that it's our responsibility to fight the Americans who are trying to export homophobia to Africa," one of the protesters said.

Pastor Martin Ssempa of Makerere Community Church is one of the evangelicals allegedly propped up by the American Christians to promote anti-gay sentiments in Uganda.   In a recent interview, he told The Independent that Ugandan MPs should not be intimidated by threats to cut aid byAmerica, Britain and other donors.

He said, following a spate of high profile corruption cases in Uganda, the same donors had already slashed aid to Uganda any way.  "So cutting aid is no longer a threat to the anti-homosexuality Bill," he said.

Instead, he said, the police and other law enforcers should act swiftly to arrest gay people.

"The failure to bring these guys to book leaves their victims with no alternative but to name them and shame them in newspapers," he said.

For now, Ssempa and others like him who are looking forward to swift police action against homosexuals are likely to wait for a long time even if the Bill becomes law. Under a 2007 law, Section 129 of the Penal Code Act was amended to provide for the death penalty in some cases of defilement or the offence of having sex with a person under the age of 18. It has never been enforced.



On 15 November 2012 17:54, Abbey Semuwemba <abbeysemuwemba@gmail.com> wrote:
WBK,

I'm kind of busy right now but I will try to get some few papers posted here about this later on. But for the meantime, you can Google some of these research papers and read them yourself, brother. There are also thousands of pages of material by the preeminent minds in the field at your local bookstore or library talking about this. There is loads of libraries in USA where you can get your hands on this literature.

The argument from the little literature I have read myself shows that homosexuals of either sex have an emotional disturbance of a clinical nature which distorts their thinking, often to the point of committing lethal acts of violence.

Gay rights advocates seem to waffle on that point.  They claim they can't help their behaviour (which would make homosexuality a form of mental illness) but they bridle at the idea that homosexuality is a congenital abnormality.  And unless they come up with a proven scientific explanation, I think its fair not take them seriously. This life style is a misdirection of the normal reproductive urges, of the same sort that causes some people to be sexually attracted to inanimate objects, animals, dead bodies, or other inappropriate objects.

Delisting homosexuality from mental illness in USA and later WHO in 1990s was arguably a result of political pressure, not a medical decision.  In Ronald Bayer's book "Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: ''The Politics of Diagnosis'', he provides a clear account of the politics behind the decision to remove homosexuality from the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual. Bayer's book is a must read for those who  are involved in this issue not because Bayer is on our side, indeed he  supports the gay activists' agenda, but because he reveals what really  happened.

According to Bayer: "The result was not a conclusion based on an approximation of the scientific truth as dictated by reason, but was instead an action demanded by the ideological temper of the time."

Here is what I can say about this as an African: the Europe and its Allies are defending Western Civilization, and this includes accepting homosexuality. We, as Africans, are defending liberty, opportunity, self-reliance and the society that will eventually grow from recognition of these values. Nobody should force Africans to accept things they disapprove openly. So in essence we are defending our values and cultures that don't recognise homosexuality. Frankly, our cherished values and cultures are only important to DNA if they further its reproduction and support of the next generation.

Therefore, I must point out that from the viewpoint of DNA, homosexuality is a meaningless perversion and dead end - that seems to be the `method' of biology, trial and error. You see it is my opinion that Allah throws the dice all the time. Our fragile species is still on a roll, as are sharks and cockroaches. Africans should be the one to set the standards this time and the west follows, not the other way round. We shouldn't be promoting some of these things because they are acceptable in Europe and USA yet majority of Africans don't support them.

Abbey


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:28 PM, WB Kyijomanyi <kyijomanyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
 
 

Abbey:

 

Where is the evidence of the high level of mental illness among Gays and Lesbians? Cite the study so we take a critical look at it. And so what if it turns out that they have a high level of mental illness?  Now listen to this if you visit or pass by a mental institution-they are not many following deinstitutionalization-,most people you see are actually IMMIGRANTS. Why? Because they lack social capital and therefore are prone to depression and others forms of disappointments.

 

 I am not making this up. The prevalence of mental illness in the West is high among immigrants, mostly men but also women.  I bet you it is the same thing in London. And did we not see hundreds of immigrants sleeping under bridge sin London. How many of those have mental illness? 

 

Listen again; the Diagnostic Manual no longer lists homosexuality as a disease. Why? The gays and lesbians protested and managed o get homosexuality removed from that influential manual.

 

Read or google Addriene Rich on compulsory heterosexuality. That is what you and the MPs in Uganda are doing. You only want to give visibility to heterosexuality.

 

I think this debate has been real eye opener, I mean in terms of false consciousness. You come here to lament YKM oppression of the opposition and then support his anti-gay bill. What is it I am missing". Did I not hear that police and security agencies routinely sodomize opposition people while in their custody? What is that called again if it is un Uganda or un Africa?

 

Bye

 

WBK.

 

 

 


 

Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:59:26 +0000
From: ocaymi@yahoo.se
Subject: SV: {UAH} DR.KIPENJI: HOMOSEXUALITY & MENTAL ILLNESS!
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com


Ndugu KIPENJI,
FIRST, thing first let us not forget that Religion is an opium of hatred since it gets its modus operandi doctrine from the infamous holy books written in the wisdom and right from God.
SECOND, the talks about homophobia and many other isms are just that. I am brought up in Catholicism since the death of my mother when I was just very young.
WELL, having been, and having read a good numbers of religious books which included, the Koran and a good numbers of literatures in Buddhism, as well as Hinduism I hate to think we must take a good step in rethinking over jumping.
LASTLY, I think hatreds must not be encourage when we want a good debate about homosexuals  because we do not have monopoly in Africa on human behaviours. I am asking Ndugu Semuwemba to avoid this calling of homosexuals as sick folks. Unfortunately, we are living not in the African world – Uganda political and social environments.
JUST a simple question to Ndugu Semuwemba; if your son and, or daughter just come to you one morning and tells you that he is a gay – homosexual, what would you do?
 
OCAYA pOcure    
 

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Alhajji Semuwemba:
It is surprising that you are easily flummoxed by conjectures that you want all and sundry to believe.
Homosexuality still remains an enigma even to the best researched scientists.
Let me make myself clear to you before I expose some of the fallacies you and your like minded say about
homosexuals.To those who have interacted with me,all know me as a very ultra conservative and many even
say I am more catholic than the Pope.
Given this background that you can choose to verify,why do you think I am against this omnibus anti-gay bill?
It is the hypocrisy that forms it that I find repugnant.
Homosexuality is a human malady if you want to call it so,and thus it is not alien to Africa.Almost 40 years ago,the last time I attended a history lesson,we were told of some of the practices of some of the African leaders which were
obviously homosexual in nature.These practices pre dated colonialism.Now ask yourself why did the colonialists
proscribe homosexuality if indeed you want to believe they are the ones who brought it?
Fast forward to 1986-1994/5 in Eastern and Northern Uganda.Do you know how many men were sodomized by the
then NRA now turned UPDF under the guise of fighting rebels in these areas?I have names of people we had to
counsel and conduct a myriad of medical tests to ensure that other than the psychological trauma,they were not
exposed to HIV/AIDS.
Now my question to you is were Or rather are NRA/UPDF Africans or Ugandans Or they are Whites? If they are Ugandans
were did they learn these practices from given that to date there is no record of a horde of white military instructors
having been with them in the infamous Luwero Trapezuim?
Therefore arguing that homosexuality is unAfrican is being a very hollow and to pass laws proscribing it is not done in
good faith,unless the government is ready to compensate all those men forcefully sodomized by the government troups.
Today,you may want an anti-gay bill.What about if that is passed,they proscribe polygamy,single parenthood,sex away
from one's marital bed,where or when do you see this revolving door coming to a halt?
We need to protect those who are threatened for being what they are in our society and not criminalizing them.
After they are protected and they feel empowered,you can then design your study about them and hopefully you will not
realize you are on a journey to nowhere.
Kipenji

From: Abbey Semuwemba <abbeysemuwemba@gmail.com>
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2012, 13:15
Subject: {UAH} DR.KIPENJI: HOMOSEXUALITY & MENTAL ILLNESS!

Dr.Kipenji,

The higher levels of mental illness among gays suggest a genetic predisposition to mental disorders, and aberrant behaviors. There is an argument that to experience 'homophobia', one must first experience homosexuality; and to experience homosexuality, one is far more likely to also have first experienced childhood sexual abuse or genetically inherited mental illness.

Read more about this on the link below. The link in line is a very concise article that views homosexuality as an illness. Much of modern psychiatry today doesn't see it as a mental disorder, but as a sexual orientation, though they do it without any conclusive evidence pointing to sexual orientation.

http://www.narth.com/docs/whitehead.html

The claim that homosexuality cannot be overcome by therapy and prayer is something some of us don't believe in. Gay people need to be treated mentally and subjected to some form of therapy.The claim that homosexuality is inherent to a person's biology and not a choice of lifestyle is also still ambiguous. Gay people have tried to make it look that way, but there is nothing conclusive as far as their bodies are concerned. They can sometimes get it up in front of a woman( if they are men) and some have stayed in marriages for a long time before they choose this life style. Lesbians are also sometimes shagged by men and i have been told by some friends who have done so that they react like normal women throughout the process. What triggers them to go back to sleeping with people of the same sex is as complicated as getting a bad leader for a president.

Yes, people can be born abnormal, but they are not born homosexual. It is meaningless to call a homosexual a person who by virtue of his birth is neither a man, nor a woman. Actually, such people are called hermaphrodites.

Homosexuality is a highly undesirable abnormal behavior of normal people. The human species is gifted with reason and will, which allows it to control emotions and instincts. Do you remember that 'Human beings are animals' theory i told you about? Human actions and behaviour involves a complex interaction between instincts, emotions, reason and will, and this is what is stopping us from behaving as animals. And the human reproductive process is also affected by this multifaceted interaction.

Like i said, Homosexuality used to be treated as a mental illness in the USA and Britain throughout the 1970s and 1980s and doctors used to use a method called "aversion" therapy to help these people. The World Health Organization only removed homosexuality from its list of mental illnesses in 1992 even Museveni was already strengthening his position in power.

As the number of homosexuals in Europe and America grew, politicians saw them as a new "constituency" - this became known as "chasing the gay vote". Some politicians themselves are "gay", as we saw some recent headlines under the coalition government here in the UK. Homosexuality became a kind of "political" movement that couldn't be ignored by any politician looking for votes. Thus, homosexuality came to be seen as an option, tacky, and often favoured lifestyle. Here, it has become a bit trendy to announce that you are gay. We don't want that in Africa, do we?

Abbey


On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Owor Kipenji <kipenji5844@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Alhajji Semuwemba:
Why do you want to defend contradictions. You state that homosexuality was up to the early 1990s recognized
as a mental illness in the UK.So what happened so that they de list it from being a mental illness.
Secondly why would you advocate a law proscribing a mental illness to be legalized. Are you un intentionally saying
suffering a mental illness is a crime.What will then make those with this assumed mental illness do.
Whether homosexual is a mental illness which it is not,we as society need to understand these people so that they
open up to us the non homosexuals to understand the pathogenesis of their perceived illness.
Do not expect to cure a disease by condemning those suffering from it. Look at what the way we handled the issues
of HIV cost us in terms of human lives and the attendant associated costs.
So,whatever the motive,the so called Anti-Gay bill is premised on a fallacy that forms our own ignorance about homosexuality as being un-African which cannot be supported by any empirical evidence and or the narratives passed to us by our forebearers.
Homosexuality is as African as it is non African!
Kipenji

From: Abbey Semuwemba <abbeysemuwemba@gmail.com>
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012, 16:31
Subject: {UAH} Dr.Kipenji:Speaker Kadaga says Uganda to pass anti-gay bill next

Dr.Kipenji,
I believe the anti-gay bill is meant to send out a strong message against homosexuality in the country regardless of its contents. Yes, there are some things that were previously discussed about the bill that i don't agree with, for instance, the proposed death penalty against the homosexuals, but i think it should be crafted in a way that does not appease anyone who supports this kind of behaviors in our society.

The matter of killing anyone because he is gay is not acceptable but they should consider subjecting them to some form of counseling to see if that helps. Homosexuality was categorically a form of mental illness even here in the UK till in the 1990s. I believe it was changed due to political pressures but this is something few would like to be associated with up to now.

But recently, the campaign to accept them in the British society has went into high gear as almost all the soaps on our TV are now playing homosexual acts, starting with 'Eastenders' that has been with us since 1980s. There is a lot of gay-ism in almost all the  soaps in the UK because i think the government here wants the general public to accept them. But this does not mean that Africans should accept whatever is acceptable in the west. We have got our own ways of living and this is the message that should be sent out. Yes, i have friends who are gay but i sometimes find it a bit troubling in my mind that they chose to be that way,  and i pray for them in my own way.

My own feeling is that president Museveni will find a way of making sure that the bill is not implemented. He wont sign it, as it will bring all the big guns against him. I think all this talk by Kadaga is an indirect form of blackmail. Someone is blackmailing the donors and want to directly speak to them. But if by some miracle the bill is passed, i think we should support it because it sends a strong message out there that we are not a pro-gay society, and that is what we are.

Abbey

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Owor Kipenji <kipenji5844@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Alhajji Semuwemba:
Are you not sounding funny that you are fronting for the passage of a bill whose wordings you do not know?
Like I cited,if that bill is not revised,some paragraphs of it that I read about 3 or so years ago made almost
every Ugandan a Gay!
Why? Because the bill expects anybody providing accomodation to gays to report it to the authorities otherwise
they face fine and or imprisonment or both!
Now,even the lepers of biblical times were not so treated.All they suffered was stigmatization as they had to bell
themselves so that non lepers could not meet them.
Like that leper story of biblical time,this anti gay attitude is all based on our ignorance about the subject matter.
It is better we started teaching sex education in schools so that we understand variations in our sexuality other than
criminalizing it.
Kipenji
From: Abbey Semuwemba <abbeysemuwemba@gmail.com>
To: Moses Ocen Nekyon <musanap@yahoo.com>; Ugandans At Heart <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012, 6:24

Subject: RE: {UAH} Speaker Kadaga says Uganda to pass anti-gay bill next

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Moses,
Distraction or not, let them pass the bill. I'm really behind kadaga on
this one. She is a princess among women. Let us pass the bill to get
Uganda back in the international headlines again. Gay people are as
powerful as Jews. So, be ready to watch us on international news soon.
May be, this will give the opposition a chance to sneak in their ideas
too.

Go, kadaga. Pass the bill. By the way, before I celebrate the bill,
would someone do us a favour and share it here with us. It would be
good to read it in advance before we start 'break dancing', you know.

Abbey

Sent from my Windows Phone
From: Moses Ocen Nekyon
Sent: 12/11/2012 21:11
To: Ugandans At Heart
Subject: Re: {UAH} Speaker Kadaga says Uganda to pass anti-gay bill
next month
Folks:

This is a distraction that we do not need and is being used to cover the go=
vernments inability to provide services to wananchi!


Ocen
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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From: WB Kyijomanyi <kyijomanyi@hotmail.com>
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Mr. Pojim:
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It is terrible. Why pass any laws when the British left such laws on the bo=
oks?  Were those laws ever repealed? Homosexuality as you argue does not af=
fect the welfare of Uganda. The bad publicity is not necessary.=20
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This actually reminds me of a conversation I heard last week with two Afric=
an professors here. When the west tries to set the agenda in Africa, it all=
ows African dictators to mobilize the people on moral grounds. Never mind t=
he economy and all other violations of human rights going on in Uganda like=
safe houses. Why can=E2=80=99t the speaker mobilize MPs to pass legislatio=
n against real issues and get over the gay issue? What is her problem?  Tha=
t is false consciousness that should be rejected.=20

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WBK

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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:37:20 -0800
From: epojim@yahoo.com
Subject: {UAH} Speaker Kadaga says Uganda to pass anti-gay bill next month
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com






Folks;
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Uganda's determination to make homosexuality a capital offense is repugnant=
to the spirit of natural law. Homosexuality has no adverse effect on the w=
elfare of Uganda. The folks involved in it are adults, and therefore of the=
legal age to determine their own life.
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If grown up decide not to marry, will the government force them to tie the =
knot? Or, if two adults decide not to have children, is the government's pl=
ace to force them to sire kids?
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I can count unbriddled corruption and binge shopping like Museveni does, as=
more dangerous to the state of Uganda than two adults of the same gender c=
hoosing to be lovers.
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Pojim
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http://news.yahoo.com/official-uganda-pass-anti-gay-bill-113424830.html
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'>Folks:<br/><br/>This is a distraction that we do =
not need and is being used to cover the governments inability to provide se=
rvices to wananchi!<br/><br/><br/>Ocen<div>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobil=
e</div><hr/><div><b>From: </b> WB Kyijomanyi &lt;kyijomanyi@hotmail.com&gt;
</div><div><b>Sender: </b> ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
</div><div><b>Date: </b>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:20:41 +0000</div><div><b>To: </=
b>ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com&lt;ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com&=
gt;</div><div><b>ReplyTo: </b> ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
</div><div><b>Subject: </b>RE: {UAH} Speaker Kadaga says Uganda to pass ant=
i-gay bill next month</div><div><br/></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>
&nbsp;<BR>
<P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"LINE-HEI=
GHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Mr. Poj=
im:</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"LINE-HEI=
GHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><?xml:n=
amespace prefix =3D o ns =3D "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o=
:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"LINE-HEI=
GHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">It is t=
errible. Why pass any laws when the British left such laws on the books?&nb=
sp; Were those laws ever repealed? Homosexuality as you argue does not affe=
ct the welfare of&nbsp;Uganda.&nbsp;The bad publicity is not necessary. </S=
PAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"LINE-HEI=
GHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></=
o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"LINE-HEI=
GHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This ac=
tually reminds me of a conversation I heard last week with two African prof=
essors here. When the west tries to set the agenda in Africa, it allows Afr=
ican dictators to mobilize the people on moral grounds. Never mind the econ=
omy and all other violations of human rights going on in Uganda like safe h=
ouses. Why can=E2=80=99t the speaker mobilize MPs to pass legislation again=
st real issues and get over the gay issue? What is her problem?<SPAN style=
=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>That is false consciousness that shoul=
d be rejected. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>

<P>&nbsp;<BR>
WBK<BR>
<BR>&nbsp;<BR></P>
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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:37:20 -0800<BR>From: epojim@yahoo.com<BR>Subject:=
{UAH} Speaker Kadaga says Uganda to pass anti-gay bill next month<BR>To: u=
gandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Folks;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Uganda's determination to&nbsp;make homosexuality a capital offense is=
repugnant to the spirit of natural law. Homosexuality has no adverse effec=
t on the welfare of Uganda. The folks involved in it are adults, and theref=
ore of the legal age to determine their own life.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>If grown up decide not to marry, will the government force them to tie=
the knot? Or, if two adults decide not to have children, is the government=
's place to force them to sire kids?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I can count unbriddled corruption and binge shopping like Museveni doe=
s, as more dangerous to the state of Uganda than two adults of the same gen=
der choosing to be lovers.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Pojim</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://news.yahoo.com/official-uganda-pass-anti-gay-bill-11=
3424830.html" target=3D_blank>http://news.yahoo.com/official-uganda-pass-an=
ti-gay-bill-113424830.html</A></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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