Friday 12 October 2012

Re: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters reveal

Ndgu zangu nimefuatilia kwa kina mjadara kwenye jukwaa letu na nimepata mchango ufuatao. Jamani tuangalie nyanja mbali mbali, nidhahiri shairi kujadiri ni fursa ya kila mmoja wetu hapa jukwaani. Ninachokiona wachangiaji wote wanania njema na nchi yetu (Tanzania) isipokuwa kuna kitu kimoja cha msingi sana ambacho tunapishana, nacho ni 'Muda' katika hatua zinazoendelea. Hapa namaanisha uwepo muda wakutosha wa wakuu wa nchi zetu kujadiri hoja, na kwenye mazungumzo tunachopaswa kufaulu ni mfumo wa "nipate na mwenzangu apate",'win win situation' na ikishindika tutapata kutafakari tena kuwa muda ulitosha wa kufanya hivyo na hoja zilikuwa na mashiko ama la?. Na je kuna nafasi nyingine, ama la! Na hoja zikiwa safi na hakuna njia mbada ra,mfumo wa 'win-lose','nipate-akose' lose-lose utafuata ambapo nguvu za kijeshi na wananchi hazina budi kutumika. Hivyo ni suala la wananchi kuwa tayari kufuatilia mtiririko wa mazungumzo wa wakubwa wetu. Asanteni, tuendelee kujadiri. Augustine.

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------Original message------
From: Telesphor Magobe <tmagobe@gmail.com>
To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 5:52:18 PM GMT+0300
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters reveal

Aisee, Matinyi, huyo jamaa alikuwa mwoga kupita kiasi! Umenifanya
nivunje mbavu, kwelikweli. Jioni njema. Nadhani Dkt Kigwangallah
hatanishukia maana naye atakuwa anavunja mbavu muda huu.

On 10/9/12, Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dkt. Kigwangalla,
> Mimi sasa Magobe ameniacha hoi bin taaban. Nadhani anaokoa sura yake tu;
> vinginevyo atakuwa ana muda wa kuchezea. Jamaa ameshaeleweshwa mpaka inakera
> lakini hajasikia, ameng'ang'ana tu kwamba watu wanataka vita. Hivi ina maana
> tukivamiwa na Malawi yeye atasema tuache wafanye watakacho ili mradi
> hatupigani vita? Hivi mtu unaweza kuwa mwoga namna hii? Kuna mahali niliwahi
> kusoma kwamba waoga wana nafasi yao katika jamii, sasa naanza kuamini. Siku
> moja tukiwa kidato cha sita, tulifanya noma pale shuleni Tambaza, na
> ikatubidi tujifungie kwenye makabatini ili kukwepa balaa. Mwoga mmoja
> alitetemeka ndani ya kabati lake hadi akaanguka nje na kutuponza wote, na
> matokeo yake yakawa mabaya zaidi, tulikula bakora kama wehu. Nadhani ndiko
> Magobe anakotupeleka, kwamba unakuwa mwoga mpaka mwisho wa siku unakuwa
> kituko.
> Matinyi.
>
>
>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters reveal
>> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> From: hkigwangalla@gmail.com
>> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 08:24:42 +0000
>>
>> Magobe, acha uoga. Hoja zako zimekosa mantiki kabisa maana umeshindwa hata
>> kuona kwamba Tanzania inataka mazungumzo na juzi hapa umemsikia Waziri
>> Membe akisema wao wanaendelea na kuandaa delegation kwa ajili ya
>> mazungumzo na kwamba wanapanga awepo mediator miongoni mwa marais wastaafu
>> kutokea nchi hizi za SADC, lakini vile vile utakuwa umeona kwamba Malawi
>> hawajawa tayari kuendelea na mazungumzo, wameanza kututukana na kisha
>> wamesema wanaruhusu meli za utafiti wa mafuta ziingie kuendelea na kazi
>> zao ziendelee kwenye ziwa lote! Hivi hapo hoja yako ni nini haswa, ama
>> unatupotezea muda tu? Eti tuyaache haya mambo kwa sasa...kivipi brother?
>> Nilikuwa nakuheshimu sana lakini sasa unanifanya nikutazame kwa jicho la
>> mashaka...
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Vodacom Tanzania
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Telesphor Magobe <tmagobe@gmail.com>
>> Sender: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:12:07
>> To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> Reply-To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters reveal
>>
>> War is like a contagious disease. Ikishaingia ndani ya nchi (kama
>> ugonjwa unavyomshika mtu) hujui itatoka lini. Ndugu zangu, wanabidii,
>> mnalijua hili! Binafsi, suluhu ya jambo hili ni mazungumzo tu (this is
>> the only option, my colleagues).
>>
>> In other words, mazungumzo yakishindikana kwa sasa tuyaahirishe ili
>> kujifikiria upya na huenda hapo baadaye tukapa suluhu nzuri kuliko
>> kusema mazungumzo yakishidikana basi vita ndiyo itakuwa 'last resort'.
>> Hata hizo sheria za kimataifa anazosema Matinyi kuhusu vita zinatoa
>> mwongozo tu na siyo kulazimisha nchi kuingia vita kama nchi husika
>> haioni bado sababu ya kufanya hivyo (kama ilivyo Tanzania ninayoishi
>> mimi). Kwani, tukiingia vita ni nchi gani itashinda na ni atashindwa
>> kati yetu na Malawi maana hata hii ni 'requirement' katika kuigana
>> vita?
>>
>>
>> Tukitaka vita ianze kututafuna na kutumaliza, tuipigane - "hapo ndipo
>> kutakuwa na kulia na kusaga meno"!
>>
>> On 10/9/12, Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Bart,
>> >
>> > Natumai wewe mwenye undakuwa wa kwanza leo asubuhi kujiandikisha
>> > jeshini. Si kuwatuma vijana kutoka jamii masikini kwenda vitani ambapo
>> > wewe umekaa Hilton Hote Dalislaam.
>> >
>> > Courage
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 10/9/12, Bart Mkinga <bmkinga@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> Hakuna binadamu mwenye busara anayependa vita lakini kwa nini vita
>> >> vimekuwepo wakati wote wa historia ya Dunia? Ni kwa sababu kuna wakati
>> >> hakuna namna nyingine yeyote inayoonekana kumaliza tatizo, na kuzidi
>> >> kukaa
>> >> kimya wakati fulani huzidi kuongeza tatizo.
>> >>
>> >> Hatukupenda kupigana na Amin lakini kuacha kupigana kulikuwa
>> >> kunamfanya
>> >> Amin
>> >> azidi kusonge mbele na kuchukua maeneo mengine, huku akizidi
>> >> kujiimarisha
>> >> ndani ya ardhi ya Tanzania.
>> >>
>> >> Hatukupenda kupigana na Malawi/Banda, lakini Banda alitwaa ziwa Nyasa
>> >> na
>> >> baada ya kulitwaa Ziwa Nyasa aliingia maeneo ya Mbambabay (Mbinga) na
>> >> Manda
>> >> kule Ludewa, akatangaza kuwa ni sehemu ya Nyasaland. Kwenye mazingira
>> >> hayo,
>> >> utafanya nini? Je, itakuwa ni busara kusema kuwa tusipigane kwa sababu
>> >> vita
>> >> ni mbaya? Hakukuwa na namna nyingine zaidi ya kumpiga banda, boti zake
>> >> za
>> >> kivita zikazamishwa, na askari wake wakakimbia kurudi Nyasaland,
>> >> kukawa
>> >> na
>> >> amani mpaka leo.
>> >>
>> >> Unafanya mazungumzo na anayetaka mazungumzo. Huwezi kufanya mazungumzo
>> >> na
>> >> asiyetaka, na anayetumia nguvu kutwaa eneo la nchi yako. Malawi
>> >> wamealikwa
>> >> kwenye meza ya mazungumzo, wamekataa. Hawajakataa tu bali sasa
>> >> wanasema
>> >> wameruhusu tena kampuni za utafiti wa mafuta na gas kuendelea kufanya
>> >> utafiti ndani ya ziwa lote la Nyasa, sasa Tanzania itafanya nini?
>> >> Hakuna
>> >> namna nyingine zaidi ya kuhakikisha kuwa hawaingii katika maji ya
>> >> Tanzania,
>> >> maana ni aheri vita kupiganwa mpakani kuliko kupiganwa ndani ya ardhi
>> >> yako.
>> >>
>> >> Jukumu kuu la kwanza la serikali yeyote na jeshi lake ni kulinda
>> >> mipaka
>> >> ya
>> >> nchi, na hicho ndicho kiapo cha kila askari na kila Rais. Ni katika
>> >> kulinda
>> >> mipaka ya nchi, askari huapa na kuweka wazi kuwa yupo tayari kuifia
>> >> nchi
>> >> yake. Rais yeyote Duniani anajua hakuna jambo sensitive kwa Taifa
>> >> lolote
>> >> kama kutaka kubadilisha mipaka ya nchi, na anayetaka kubadilisha mpaka
>> >> wa
>> >> nchi anajua kuwa anazua tatizo kubwa kabisa la kiusalama.
>> >>
>> >> Kwa sasa jeshi la Tanzania halina namna yeyote ile iwayo zaidi ya
>> >> kukaa
>> >> tayari kwa hali yeyote ile kama Malawi itaamua kubadilisha mpaka kwa
>> >> nguvu,
>> >> na kufanya hivyo ni kuishi na kutenda kadiri ya kiapo. Japo
>> >> hatujaambiwa,
>> >> nina hakika JWTZ litakakuwa tayari limejiandaa kwa hali yeyote
>> >> itakayolazimu. Amiri Jeshi Mkuu ni lazima atakuwa ameyaandaa majeshi
>> >> kwa
>> >> ulinzi wa ardhi ya Tanzania. Kubadilisha mipaka ya Tanzania siyo suala
>> >> dogo,
>> >> na JK pekee yake hana uwezo wa kufanya hivyo maana aliapa kulinda
>> >> ardhi
>> >> na
>> >> mipaka ya Tanzania kwaajili ya kizazi cha sasa na vingi vijavyo.
>> >>
>> >> Tofauti za siasa zetu za ndani haziwezi kupunguza chochote kwenye
>> >> umoja
>> >> wetu
>> >> katika kulinda na kutetea ardhi na rasilimali za nchi yetu dhidi ya
>> >> mataifa
>> >> mengine.
>> >>
>> >> Bart
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>________________________________
>> >>> From: Tony PT <tony_uk45@yahoo.co.uk>
>> >>>To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 8:49 AM
>> >>>Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters reveal
>> >>>
>> >>>Mngonge,
>> >>>
>> >>>Kumbuka historia ya mgogoro huu! Wakati ulipoibuka miaka ya sabini
>> >>> Malawi
>> >>> iliweka boti tatu kusisitiza madai yake; boti hizo zilizamishwa kwa
>> >>> mizinga na tangu hapo Malawi wakakaa kimya hadi leo tena wanalizua
>> >>> hili.
>> >>>
>> >>>Hata wawe na kigogo nyuma yake, sioni sababu: kwenye hali ya sasa nchi
>> >>> kupata usaidizi lazima iwe na strategic importance kwa huyo kigogo.
>> >>> Sasa
>> >>> Malawi haina bahari, sio mapito ya meli za wakubwa, haina madini
>> >>> muhimu,
>> >>> inapitwa na Congo, na pia haina manufaa yoyote ya kimaslahi kwa
>> >>> wakubwa.
>> >>> Actually, kama ni mafuta, au madini yapo pia tanzania.
>> >>>
>> >>>Kwa kuzingatia historia ya mgogoro, expansionism ndicho kinachoonekana
>> >>> kwa
>> >>> Malawi na huwezi kuendesha sera za kujitanua kama huna nguvu za
>> >>> kijeshi,
>> >>> uzoefu wa kupigana/matatizo kama Eritrea, Uganda, Rwanda na pia kama
>> >>> hauna
>> >>> rasilimali watu.
>> >>>
>> >>>Kulinda mipaka unayochukua kwa nguvu inahitaji rasilimali nyingi.
>> >>> Mfano
>> >>> meli za kivita pekee haziwezi kulinda mipaka, pia ndege peke yake.
>> >>> Unahitaji vyote airforce, jeshi la majini, na nchi kavu! Pia
>> >>> inahitaji
>> >>> nyenzo za kuvumilia vita kama uchumi bora na uwezo wa kuhimili
>> >>> matatizo
>> >>> baada ya vita.
>> >>>
>> >>>Ilichukua miaka 15 kwa Tz kuteseka kijamii, na kiuchumi baada ya vita
>> >>> vya
>> >>> Uganda. Malawi sidhani kama wana hata chembe ya uzoefu ukiacha ulinzi
>> >>> wa
>> >>> amani (policing) wa kimataifa ambako active combat hakuna. Lakini pia
>> >>> Tz
>> >>> walipigana mozambique, Zimbabwe, Angola, Sycheles, Comoro na kuwepo
>> >>> kwenye
>> >>> ulinzi wa amani chini ya kofia za bluu.
>> >>>
>> >>>Huenda Malawi wanatafuta kukong'otwa tena kidogo ili wakae kimya for
>> >>> another 20 yrs or so. Tz naona wanahangaika hata kuzungumzia hili
>> >>> kama
>> >>> kupoteza muda wao! Wangeendelea na kazi zao na wasubiri Malawi alete
>> >>> boti
>> >>> tena, zizamishwe na wakae kimya.
>> >>>
>> >>>Hao wanaotafuta mafuta kwenye disputed areas wajinga tu kwani hasara
>> >>> zake
>> >>> ni kubwa kuliko faida. Tunaweza kuwaacha wakajenga offshore rig na
>> >>> ikakamilika tunapeleka vijana wa kazi na payload ya mabomu na
>> >>> kusambaratisha! Kwa vile ni ukwekezaji kwenye hot spot, bima yake
>> >>> kubwa
>> >>> na
>> >>> watapewa somo moja tu na hawatarudia tena!
>> >>>Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network.
>> >>>Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de
>> >>> Bell.
>> >>>
>> >>>-----Original Message-----
>> >>>From: mngonge <mngonge@gmail.com>
>> >>>Sender: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >>>Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 08:21:41
>> >>>To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> >>>Reply-To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >>>Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters reveal
>> >>>
>> >>>Kigwangalla & colleagues
>> >>>
>> >>>Naungana na nyinyi kwamba katika utata uliopo kuhusu mipaka ya
>> >>>Tanzania na Malawi muafaka utafikiwa kwa njia ya mazungumzo tu sioni
>> >>>namna nyingine zaidi ya hiyo. Endapo Malawi watakataa kata kata
>> >>>kulimaliza kwa mazungumzo basi itatubidi tuende kwenye vyombo vya
>> >>>usuluhishi na wala si vita. Kwanza tuna uhakika gani kwamba hakuna
>> >>>vigogo walio nyuma ya Malawi?
>> >>>
>> >>>Tusifikiri tunalo Jeshi la kuipiga kila nchi, tunaweza kuanza kutumia
>> >>>nguvu na tukapigwa sijui aibu itakuwa ya nani. Huo uhakika wa kwamba
>> >>>tutawapiga sijui tunaupata wapi? Hadi yule mama aamue kudai huo mpaka
>> >>>lazima kuna kitu nyuma ya pazia. Wahenga walisema namna pekee ya
>> >>>kuishinda vita ni kuiepuka. Ukiishaingia vitani hakuna kushinda bali
>> >>>ni kuumia tu (the only way we can win a war is to avoid it).
>> >>>
>> >>>Hatuna sababu ya kutumia nguvu bali ni njia za diplomasia, kwa kubase
>> >>>kwenye treaty ya 1890 Malawi wangekuwa wamekalia ziwa zima tangu huko
>> >>>nyuma. Haya ndo matunda ya wakoloni kujigawia Afrika kama wayaudi
>> >>>walivyogawana vazi la Yesu baada ya kumuua. Bila kuwa makini na kuwa
>> >>>na viongozi wenye vision na uzalendo na Afrika hawa jamaa wataendelea
>> >>>kuigawa Afrika wanavyotaka. Nahisi kuna ka harufu ka uchonganishi toka
>> >>>kwa hao hao waliojigawia Afrika vipande vipande tangu miaka hiyo
>> >>>
>> >>>On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:18 AM, <hkigwangalla@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> Magobe, umeishiwa sasa maskini, unatia huruma. Unachokisema ndiyo
>> >>>> msingi
>> >>>> wa hoja zetu wengi hapa. Kwamba tunawaita mezani wamalawi
>> >>>> ikishindikana
>> >>>> kuelewana tunasema wasisogee upande wetu wa ziwa na mpaka sasa
>> >>>> tumeishaimarisha ulinzi wakisogea tu bila ridhaa yetu tunatandika,
>> >>>> wakijibu shambulizi tu tunaingia vitani! Huu ndiyo mtiririko wa
>> >>>> jinsi
>> >>>> kazi itakavyoenda kuanzia sasa...
>> >>>> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Vodacom Tanzania
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: Telesphor Magobe <tmagobe@gmail.com>
>> >>>> Sender: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >>>> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 23:04:27
>> >>>> To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> >>>> Reply-To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters reveal
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1. Wanaodhani kushabikia vita kama suluhu ya mgogoro wa mpaka wa
>> >>>> ziwa
>> >>>> Nyasa kati ya Tanzania na Malawi ndiyo uzalendo wanajidanganya na
>> >>>> wanawadanganya pia wanaosoma maoni yao!
>> >>>> 2. Kama kuna kuchagua, katika kupata suluhu ya jambo fulani, kati ya
>> >>>> mazungumzo ya amani/kusuluhishwa kisheria au kirafiki na vita, na
>> >>>> mtu
>> >>>> akionesha kupenda vita ili kupata suluhu, basi mtu huyo anaweza
>> >>>> akawa
>> >>>> ni 'suicidal case'.
>> >>>> 3. Amiri Jeshi Mkuu alishatoa tamko kuwa ni "yeye ndiye anayesaini
>> >>>> ili
>> >>>> vita ipiganwe na kamwe hakutatokea vita kama suluhu ya mgogoro kati
>> >>>> yetu na Malawi" na akashauri "uchochezi unaofanywa na baadhi ya
>> >>>> wanasiasa na waandishi wa habari upuuzwe."
>> >>>> 4. Hata mimi sioni: i) kama kuna haja ya vita ili kupata suluhu ii)
>> >>>> maana inawezekana kupata suluhu bila vita iii) kwa hiyo,
>> >>>> kung'ang'ania
>> >>>> kuwe na vita katika kupata suluhu ni kuonesha tu ubabe usio na maana
>> >>>> yoyote.
>> >>>> 6. Wapenda maendeleo ya nchi na ustawi wa watu wao vita si sehemu ya
>> >>>> utamaduni wao.
>> >>>> 7. Kama kuna kitu kinaitwa uzalendo, tukioneshe katika: kutetea haki
>> >>>> za wanyonge (kutokubali haki ipindishwe kwa maslahi binafsi), kupiga
>> >>>> vita rushwa na ufisadi, kupiga vita uporaji wa ardhi, kukemea mauaji
>> >>>> ya raia wasio na hatia, kupunguza au kuondoa umaskini Tanzania,
>> >>>> kuboresha huduma za jamii, kulinda mali ya umma, kutoiba kura wakati
>> >>>> wa uchaguzi na kupata suluhu ya mgogoro wetu na Malawi kwa njia ya
>> >>>> kawaida bila kumwaga damu.
>> >>>> 8. Kwangu mimi, huu ndio uzalendo maana vita inaharibu yote haya
>> >>>> kwani
>> >>>> issue ya mpaka haijashindikana. Je, ni kwa nini tuanze kufikiria
>> >>>> vita
>> >>>> wakati hatuja'exhaust all options?'
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 10/8/12, Said Issa <saidissa100@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> Courage,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Yes, I am with you brother!
>> >>>>> Substitute the Z with a G and a solution is there!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ....bin Issa.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ________________________________
>> >>>>> From: Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 8:21:05 AM
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters reveal
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Heheheheheheheeee!!!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Said,
>> >>>>> Sometimes problems have no solution and then suddenly the best
>> >>>>> solution comes out of a very unlikely place. the idea of Tanzalawi
>> >>>>> or
>> >>>>> Tangalawi may be laughable now but is a very legitimate and easiest
>> >>>>> way out of this.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Courage
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 10/8/12, Said Issa <saidissa100@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>> Dear Maurice,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>A very far-fetched solution would be for TZ and Malawi to form a
>> >>>>>>> union>to
>> >>>>>>> become the United Republic of Tanzalawi.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I am fascinated by your far-fetched solution. If you will agree
>> >>>>>> with
>> >>>>>> Bw.
>> >>>>>> Makundi,
>> >>>>>> then, please, call the Union as Tangalawi and NOT Tanzalawi!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ....bin Issa.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ________________________________
>> >>>>>> From: Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 5:41:02 AM
>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters reveal
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Willy,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Please don't read me wrong. I think someone made a terrible
>> >>>>>> mistake
>> >>>>>> in
>> >>>>>> alloting the whole lake to Malawi. Tanzania has a legitimate claim
>> >>>>>> for
>> >>>>>> half of the lake because the people around Ruvuma and Iringa
>> >>>>>> derive
>> >>>>>> their livelihoods from the lake. It would be unnatural for the
>> >>>>>> ppeople
>> >>>>>> there to be denied the use of the lake.
>> >>>>>> But that aside; existing legal scenario is that Malawi owns the
>> >>>>>> lake.
>> >>>>>> The only way out of this situation is a political settlement in
>> >>>>>> which
>> >>>>>> Malawi cedes half of the lake in exchange for something. I have
>> >>>>>> suggested a passage to the sea and I think that is doable if TZ is
>> >>>>>> willing.
>> >>>>>> War is definitely not an option.
>> >>>>>> A very far-fetched solution would be for TZ and Malawi to form a
>> >>>>>> union
>> >>>>>> to become the United Republic of Tanzalawi.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Courage,
>> >>>>>> Oduor Maurice
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 10/8/12, Willy Makundi <wrlmakundi@aol.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> The people living on the eastern and northern shores of the lake
>> >>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>> always
>> >>>>>>> had the right of use of the lake, primarily for water, food and
>> >>>>>>> transit
>> >>>>>>> up
>> >>>>>>> to the median line roughly parallel to the shoreline. The oil and
>> >>>>>>> other
>> >>>>>>> mineral deposits is a recent discovery. Kamuzus claim was
>> >>>>>>> actually
>> >>>>>>> NOT
>> >>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>> only the lake but also the whole of Ruvuma and Iringa, so you
>> >>>>>>> know
>> >>>>>>> we
>> >>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>> fair understanding of their preposterous claims.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> If you have a case for other lakes or rivers please feel free to
>> >>>>>>> petition
>> >>>>>>> with those responsible, be it Tanzanians, EAC, AU, ICJ or the UN.
>> >>>>>>> But
>> >>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>> am
>> >>>>>>> sure you know that the case of Lake Victoria is a ruse for
>> >>>>>>> diverting
>> >>>>>>> attention from Ms Banda's claim for all of Lake Malawi.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> While you are at it, why dont you just claim all of Lake Victoria
>> >>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> borrow a leaf from Ms Banda's book?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> mchilyi7.0
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>>> From: Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> To: wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, Oct 8, 2012 12:04 pm
>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters
>> >>>>>>> reveal
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Willy,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Is Tanzania now aggressively going after half of the Lake because
>> >>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>> the potential for oil under there?
>> >>>>>>> Then I think Kenya should fight to get more of Lake Victoria.
>> >>>>>>> Right
>> >>>>>>> now Kenya owns only 6% while TZ and Uganda share the remaining
>> >>>>>>> 94%.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Courage
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On 10/8/12, Willy Makundi <wrlmakundi@aol.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> Ndugu HK, let them know that we are fully aware that they are
>> >>>>>>>> backed
>> >>>>>>>> by
>> >>>>>>>> those who eye the potential fossil deposits of the 600 km long
>> >>>>>>>> Lake
>> >>>>>>>> Malawi
>> >>>>>>>> (which may rival the oil deposits of Lake Albert in Uganda - now
>> >>>>>>>> being
>> >>>>>>>> compared by the Americans to those of Saudi Arabia). Tell them
>> >>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>> we
>> >>>>>>>> know
>> >>>>>>>> the stakes are high.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Be that as it may, the right of Tanzanians and Malawians to use
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>> water
>> >>>>>>>> and other resources of the Lake to the median line is God given
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> has
>> >>>>>>>> never, nor can it be taken away from the Wamandas the Nyakyusa
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>> Matengo
>> >>>>>>>> or the Wanyasa who have been dependent on the lake from time
>> >>>>>>>> immemorial
>> >>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>> as
>> >>>>>>>> far back as when there was no such thing as a Germany or even a
>> >>>>>>>> United
>> >>>>>>>> Kingdom.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Whether Ms Banda is being used or supported by UK or the
>> >>>>>>>> Americans
>> >>>>>>>> or
>> >>>>>>>> others, our rights to our half of the lake will never be
>> >>>>>>>> permanently
>> >>>>>>>> taken
>> >>>>>>>> away by declaration or use of force, not by Malawi, not by UK,
>> >>>>>>>> not
>> >>>>>>>> by
>> >>>>>>>> ICJ
>> >>>>>>>> NOT by any power on earth. For this right we will be in a
>> >>>>>>>> permanent
>> >>>>>>>> state
>> >>>>>>>> vigilance.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Let it be known that if Tanzania would try to claim all the lake
>> >>>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>> ourselves, I would fight that position just the same and would
>> >>>>>>>> stand
>> >>>>>>>> with
>> >>>>>>>> Malawi to claim their own half of the Lake till kingdom comes. A
>> >>>>>>>> people
>> >>>>>>>> shall never be denied their natural right to proximal water and
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>> resources there in. Its unnatural and unconscionable.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> mchilyi7.0
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>>>> From: hkigwangalla <hkigwangalla@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>> To: wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, Oct 8, 2012 11:24 am
>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters
>> >>>>>>>> reveal
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Maurice, I am of the opinion that is similar to Matinyi's and
>> >>>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>>> told
>> >>>>>>>> you
>> >>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>> I will volunteer to go to the frontline if it reaches to that,
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> know
>> >>>>>>>> you
>> >>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>> many Tanzanians are ready for that, only if it means defending
>> >>>>>>>> our
>> >>>>>>>> borders,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> dignity and respect! Trust me bro, Malawi is not even an inch
>> >>>>>>>> close
>> >>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>> Amin's
>> >>>>>>>> Uganda in terms of budget or even size of the force, let them
>> >>>>>>>> continue
>> >>>>>>>> na
>> >>>>>>>> uchokozi wao, na watakiona cha mtema kuni! Sisi hatupigi kelele
>> >>>>>>>> wala
>> >>>>>>>> propaganda,
>> >>>>>>>> tunawasubiri mezani kwanza, wasipotokea tutawasubiri waingilie
>> >>>>>>>> mpaka
>> >>>>>>>> wetu,
>> >>>>>>>> hapo
>> >>>>>>>> ndipo watasikia mapigo yetu, mpaka sasa tumeshaimarisha ulinzi
>> >>>>>>>> kwenye
>> >>>>>>>> mipaka
>> >>>>>>>> ya
>> >>>>>>>> upande wetu wa ziwa! Waambie wachokoze sasa waone!
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> HK!
>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Vodacom Tanzania
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>>>> From: Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>> Sender: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 17:39:30
>> >>>>>>>> To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> >>>>>>>> Reply-To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters
>> >>>>>>>> reveal
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Matinyi,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> You are someone I respect and I don't expect war language from
>> >>>>>>>> you.
>> >>>>>>>> You're someone people listen to on these fora so una wajibu
>> >>>>>>>> fulani.
>> >>>>>>>> Usichochee ovyo ukatuanzia vita kati ya Tz na Malawi, vita isiyo
>> >>>>>>>> na
>> >>>>>>>> maana wala mantiki.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> You should be talking about a political solution.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Courage
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 10/6/12, matinyi@hotmail.com <matinyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> Maurice,
>> >>>>>>>>> You need to know some historical facts of this conflict, and a
>> >>>>>>>>> knowledge
>> >>>>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>>>> who started the fire now.
>> >>>>>>>>> Secondly, when two countries fight, it is not a battle between
>> >>>>>>>>> their
>> >>>>>>>>> leaders
>> >>>>>>>>> but armies, air force, etc. This was Amin's thinking and has
>> >>>>>>>>> nothing
>> >>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>> do
>> >>>>>>>>> with our decision or view then, now, and tomorrow. So, if
>> >>>>>>>>> necessary,
>> >>>>>>>>> we
>> >>>>>>>>> will
>> >>>>>>>>> attack them and either kill Joyce or capture her unless she
>> >>>>>>>>> runs
>> >>>>>>>>> away
>> >>>>>>>>> like
>> >>>>>>>>> Amin. Trust me.
>> >>>>>>>>> Matinyi.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> T-Mobile. America's First Nationwide 4G Network
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Reply message -----
>> >>>>>>>>> From: "Maurice Oduor" <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>> To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters reveal
>> >>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, Oct 6, 2012 2:46 pm
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Matinyi,
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I've always respected you as a formidable debater but hapa kaka
>> >>>>>>>>> nawe
>> >>>>>>>>> umeanza kuteleza kidogo. You're making a false comparison.
>> >>>>>>>>> Migingo
>> >>>>>>>>> Island issue is not in the same category as this Lake Nyasa
>> >>>>>>>>> issue.
>> >>>>>>>>> There's no Treaty that ever granted Migingo to Uganda. Infact
>> >>>>>>>>> all
>> >>>>>>>>> existing maps and Agreements show the island as bwlonging to
>> >>>>>>>>> Kenya.
>> >>>>>>>>> The only reason Migingo is an issue is that Kibaki does not
>> >>>>>>>>> care
>> >>>>>>>>> about
>> >>>>>>>>> it because it only conveniences Luos, a tribe he has no regard
>> >>>>>>>>> for.
>> >>>>>>>>> Museveni knows that and is taking advantage. Once Raila takes
>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>> presidency, you wont even see any sign of Uganda on that
>> >>>>>>>>> island.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Lakini this Lake Nyasa issue is more complicated because over
>> >>>>>>>>> history,
>> >>>>>>>>> there have been several conflicting pacts and agreements over
>> >>>>>>>>> it.
>> >>>>>>>>> The
>> >>>>>>>>> 2 countries need to sit down with an independent 3rd party and
>> >>>>>>>>> find
>> >>>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>>> negotiated settlement. If Tz goes to war over this, Tz will not
>> >>>>>>>>> just
>> >>>>>>>>> get a black eye for beating up on a woman president, it will
>> >>>>>>>>> become
>> >>>>>>>>> an international pariah.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Mie nakupa wasia kama jirani mwema.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Courage,
>> >>>>>>>>> Oduor Maurice
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On 10/6/12, matinyi@hotmail.com <matinyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> Maurice,
>> >>>>>>>>>> How about this, let Kenya take Migingo, and offer Uganda a
>> >>>>>>>>>> passage
>> >>>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>> sea, then we will follow suit.
>> >>>>>>>>>> Matinyi.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> T-Mobile. America's First Nationwide 4G Network
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Reply message -----
>> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Maurice Oduor" <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>> To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters reveal
>> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, Oct 6, 2012 12:35 pm
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Mike,
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> You are providing a wrong comparison. In other words, you're
>> >>>>>>>>>> advancing
>> >>>>>>>>>> a false argument. The comparison to eyes and arms does not
>> >>>>>>>>>> fit.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> International norms now recommend that water bodies such as
>> >>>>>>>>>> Nyasa,
>> >>>>>>>>>> Tanganyika and Victoria be shared equally between the
>> >>>>>>>>>> associated
>> >>>>>>>>>> countries. That is how Canada and US now share the Great
>> >>>>>>>>>> Lakes.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> But the fact is that Lake Nyasa legally belongs to Malawi for
>> >>>>>>>>>> now.
>> >>>>>>>>>> The
>> >>>>>>>>>> best outcome here would be that the Lake is shared equally
>> >>>>>>>>>> between
>> >>>>>>>>>> Tz
>> >>>>>>>>>> and Malawi but Malawi is offered something in exchange. A
>> >>>>>>>>>> passage
>> >>>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>> the sea would be a good offer.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Courage
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/6/12, Mike Zunzu <mikezunzu@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Can you give one of your eye to someone in order to save your
>> >>>>>>>>>>> hand
>> >>>>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> be
>> >>>>>>>>>>> chopped off.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>> >>>>>>>>>>> From: Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 6 October 2012, 8:55
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters
>> >>>>>>>>>>> reveal
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Shedrack,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> why don't you guys give Malawii a passage to the sea in
>> >>>>>>>>>>> exchange
>> >>>>>>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>>>>> part of the lake you're claiming? I think that would be a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> fitting
>> >>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> mature compromise.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Courage
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/6/12, shedrack maximilian
>> >>>>>>>>>>> <shedrack_maximilian@yahoo.co.uk>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tony
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sijui ujinga wa watz uko wapi katika huu mgogoro!? Be
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> specific
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> lakini kuhusu Malawi kudepend Kwa waingereza au yeyote yule
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kuhusu
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kwamba
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ziwa ni lao mimi naona ni uwezo mdogo wa kufikiri ,Wale wapo
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> tu
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kuchonganisha mara zote.Wkumbuke kuwa Malawi sawa na
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tanzania
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ni
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> nchi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> zinazokua na watu wake ni masikini sana na hivyo kusema
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kweli
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hatuitaji
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kutumia pesa kupigana vita ambayo kwa hakika itawaua na
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kuharibu
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mali
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> za
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hao
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> watu wetu masikini.Kama hawatakaa katika mazungumzo shauri
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> yao,Tutaingia
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> katika vita ,tutaumizana na mwisho wa siku tutakaa katika
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> meza
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kuzungumza
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> .wazungu hawataweza kuwasaidia chochote kile na wala hawana
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> rasilimali
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> za
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kuwafanya wazungu wasimame upande wao kwasabau wako kwa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ajili
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ya
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> masilahi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> yao.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jamani mama Banda utaumiza watu wako jama!!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Shedrack Maximilian
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> B.Sc. Env.Health Science
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bagamoyo District Council, Tanzania
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> shedrack_maximilian@yahoo.co.uk
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> +255(0754)944-504
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> +255(0715)844-504
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Wed, 3/10/12, Tony PT <tony_uk45@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Tony PT <tony_uk45@yahoo.co.uk>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> reveal
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, 3 October, 2012, 7:13
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pius,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sisi waTz huwa mazezeta kwelikweli! Inabidi ifike wakati
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kenya
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> tuwaambie
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kuuza mmlima wetu inabidi walipe royalty na tufunge mpaka
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wote
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ili
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> watalii
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wakitaka kuja kuona mlima wapitie Uganda au zanzibar au kwa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ndege!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ujinga wetu ndio umefanya Malawi kujiaminisha kuwa ziwa lote
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ni
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> la
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kwao!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hivi kweli Malawi watasemaje hivyo wakati kuna taarifa ya
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mabonde
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (Great
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Lakes Basins), mito na maziwa zinatamka na wao kujua kuwa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> maji
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> karibu
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> asilimia 63 yanatoka milima ya Livingston, Lukumburu,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> njombe,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ludewa,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mbinga, Songea, mito na maji ya mvua ndani ya mipaka ya Tz
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ziwani!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wakileta kichaa sasa tutalichukua ziwa lote, yaani
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> tunabadili
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mipaka
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> iwe
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> upande wa magharibi mwa ziwa, tuone kama wataona sawa!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Leo tunaweza kuanzisha man-made inland lakes upande wa Tz na
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ziwa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> litanyauka
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kwa asilimia isiyopungua 70. Maana ziwa hilo linapata
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> asilimia
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> karibu
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 42
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ya
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> maji ya mito upande wa Tz, 21 ya maji ya mvua ziwani, na 27
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ya
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> maji
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ya
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mito
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> na mvua upande wa malawi!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> network.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> réseau
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> de
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bell.From: Pius Makomelelo <makomelelopius@yahoo.co.uk>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sender: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 06:45:01 +0100 (BST)To:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wanabidii@googlegroups.com<wanabidii@googlegroups.com>ReplyTo:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> reveal
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kwa mtaji huu inabidi tuwe macho hata na hawa watani wetu wa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> jadi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wanaotumia
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> utalii kutanganza mlima Kilimanjaro uko kwao! Yule mama
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Banda
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> katangaza
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> rasmi kuwa hataki tena mazungumzo! Hana imani na Tanzania.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hana
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> imani
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> na
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> JK
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> eti wtz tumezindua ramani mpya na kufukuza wavuvi wamalawi.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Katumwa,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> sasa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> naona anachotafuta wakati muafaka umefika wa kumpa. Kalewa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> madaraka.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wtz
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> tuweni makini, lazima kuna agenda za kikoloni
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> zinatengenezwa.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Banda
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mkubwa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> alitambulika ukanda wetu huu kama kibaraka. Ni jadi yao
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hawa,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hatuna
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> haja
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ya
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kupoteza muda kujadiliana nao! Dawa ya kibaraka ni
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kumshughulikia
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kabla
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hata
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hajaota mbawa za kutosha.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Felix Mwakyembe <fkyembe@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2012, 23:29
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> reveal
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ukweli ni kwamba hapa tulipofika tumepatengeza wenyewe kwa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kuwakubalia
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wamalawi katika mambo ya Ziwa hilo.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Walianza kwa kubadili jina kutoka jina la asili la Nyasa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ambalo
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> linajumuisha
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wote wanaopakana na hilo Ziwa na kuliita Malawi wakiengua
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> upande
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tanzania, tulikaa kimya na kuwapigia makofi.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Walitengeza ramani zenye kuonyesha mpaka kuwa ufukwe wa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tanzania,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> nasi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> tukazitumia pasipo kuhoji!!!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Malawi walihakikisha kizazi cha sasa kisifahamu lolote
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kuhusu
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> jina
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> la
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nyasa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> na mpaka kuwa katikati ya ziwa, walielewa walichokuwa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wakifanya,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wakati
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> sisi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> tukiwa hatuelewi tunataka nini.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Imefika wakati Jumuiya za Kimataifa zinatambua hivyo, na
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hata
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> miradi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ya
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kiuchumi inayohusu ziwa hilo, wenye kunufaika ni Malawi, kwa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> upande
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wetu
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hata miradi hukataliwa na taasisi za nje, labda huo mradi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> uhusishe
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> na
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wamalawi.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tumelea wenyewe!!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 October 2012 23:19, Dr. Hamisi A. Kigwangalla
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <hkigwangalla@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> safi sana, msimamo wangu kwa hakika unafanana na wa kwako,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> na
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kwa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kweli
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> demokrasia ikishindwa - twende vitani tu tuwatandike nduli
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hawa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> chini
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ya
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> uongozi wa yule mama mkaidi anayeitwa Nduli Grace
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Mobhare Matinyi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <matinyi@hotmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dkt. Kigwangalla,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Usiwe na shaka, hatutaki vita na tutafanya mazungumzo mpaka
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mwisho,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ikishindikana zitapigwa. Kuna Wakurya kama laki mbili -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> vijana
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> watupt
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> na
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hawana kazi baada ya migodi yao ya dhahabu kuporwa na
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wawekezaji
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> na
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ng'ombe
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kuibiwa na majambazi; hawa ukitangaza vita watakuja kama
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mvua,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> achilia
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mbali
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> tulioko huku majuu, tutarudi wote golini tujazane. Hebu
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> fikiria
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kila
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mkoa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ukitoa vijana wake laki moja wasiokuwa na kazi itakuwaje?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tutawapiga
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> washikaji zetu kwa kutembea na miguu na bakora bila bunduki,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> na
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hatumui
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mtu,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ni bakora tupu ila baraa lote la mawaziri tutawachukua tuje
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> nao
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> huku
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mjini,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> tuwarundike Keko.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mmarekani mmoja, sasa balozi mstaafu baaa ya kulitumikia
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> jeshi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> pia
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> na
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kufanya kazi ya kufundisha Wakenya, aliniambia kwamba wakati
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Watanzania
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wanaingia Uganda yeye alikuwa kijana mdogo akifanya kazi na
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wamisionari..
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anasema miaka yote aliyokuwa jeshini Marekani alikuwa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> anawakumbuka
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wale
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Watanzania jinsi walivyokuwa na nidhamu ya kijeshi na jinsi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> walivyowaua
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Walibya. Anasema kwamba rekodi hazisemi ukweli kuwa eti
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> walikufa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Waarabu
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 600
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> tu, anasema Kampala peke yake walizidi 1,000. Anasema
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Watanzania
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ni
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> habari
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> nyingine kabisa.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hatutaki vita lakini lazima ziwa tulidhibiti; iwe isiwe.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Matinyi.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 23:06:28 +0300
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> reveal
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: hkigwangalla@gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Felix, ninachokumbuka tu ni kwamba nilikula samaki mtamu
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> anayeitwa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mbasa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kwa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ndizi safi za mbeya...and notable was the way yule samaki na
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> yule
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kuku
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> alivyokuwa amechoma...
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> utamu wa samaki yule maalum kwa ajili ya wageni wanaokuja
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kule
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mwambao
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ziwa Nyasa ni yule samaki, na nitakuwa tayari kushiriki vita
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ya
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kulikomboa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> lile Ziwa ili wajukuu zangu waendelee kula Mbasa maisha yao
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> yote
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Felix Mwakyembe
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <fkyembe@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hahahahaha, huku note tu pale una kuwa connected Malawi simu
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> zote,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kwa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hiyo
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> nawe siku hiyo ulikuwa Malawi!!!!!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Felix
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 October 2012 22:14, Dr. Hamisi A. Kigwangalla
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <hkigwangalla@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mwakyex, nakumbuka voda yangu ilikuwa inashika...ila
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> siku-notice
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kingine
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> chochote cha ajabu. airtel haikuwa inakamata
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Felix Mwakyembe
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <fkyembe@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dr Kigwa,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hivi ulipokuwa pale Nduli, Kyela simu zako zilishika net za
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wapi!!!!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Felix
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 October 2012 18:19, Dr. Hamisi A. Kigwangalla
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <hkigwangalla@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Moderator, mfute huyu MMalawi kwenye hili group, anatutia
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hasira
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> na
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> vichefu
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> chefu hapa. Hana kingine anachochangia zaidi ya Lake Nyasa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> tu...nadhani
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> anafanya kazi ya kiintelijensia ya kutaka kujua tunasema
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> nini
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> na
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> tuna
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hoja
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> zipi kwenye hili suala...ONDOA HUYU HARAKA tafadhali...
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tuliishasema Tanzania italinda mipaka yake, na tuko tayari
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kwa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> lolote
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wakati
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wowote...waache kutuchokonoa chokonoa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Hosea Ndaki
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <hosea.ndaki@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hayo mafuta tunaweza tafiti kama joint project kama yapo!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> nadhani
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hao
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wavuvi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wa dagaa wanasail bila matata. Mazungumzo pia yalenge
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kuishawishi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> malawi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kujiunga EAC sawa na Burundi na Rwanda wanaweza faidika
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> zaidi.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kama kuna economic advantage ya kuwekeza katika meli basi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bakhresa
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> au
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Songoro wanaweza wekeza huko
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:51 PM, ELISA MUHINGO
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <elisamuhingo@yahoo.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Na meli aliyoahidi Rais ijengwe ianze safari zake kwenye
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> port
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> zetu.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mafuta
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> waendelee kutafiti ila wsichimbe etc
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Tue, 10/2/12, Hosea Ndaki <hosea.ndaki@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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