[wanabidii] Re: [KOL] Re: Minister threatens to ditch Raila team

Jalkani,

I agree with you and I hope we can all be like that. But politics has
nothing to do with logic.
You saw how Warsama was disparaging Luos and when I pointed it out
vigorously, only Luos came out strongly to attack me. Infact I believe
no other tribe attacked me. Luos were screaming at me and threatening
to kick me out of these fora. None of them warned Warsama, they were
focused on me who was cautioning Warsama to cut out the hatred and
tribalism.

Just out of curiosity, how many of the Luo women that used to be on
these forums do you see around now? Hardly none. Why? Well, look back
in the e-mails and check when they dropped off and compare with what
Warsama was writing at that time. My only consolation? I think I'm
dealing with young people in their 20s who have no experience with
life and who have not seen the devastation that tribalism and tribal
hate can have in one's career, for example.

Be careful thura.

Courage



On 9/8/12, jalkani@yahoo.com <jalkani@yahoo.com> wrote:
> MO I will always stand for truth regardless of other peoples perception
> Kenya can only be healed by truthfulness not by telling lies and favaring
> certein community. It our Kenya all of us.
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> Jalkani,
>
> You may get yourself kicked out of these forums. These forums zina
> wenyewe and there are topics they don't want touched.
>
> Courage
>
>
>
> On 9/8/12, jalkani@yahoo.com <jalkani@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> The problem on the ground. Kalenjins are not amused that Kikuyus are
>> being
>> settled on their land and they Kalenjins are left in the cold. People are
>> brought all the way from nyeri to RV.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Evans MACHERA <evansmachera@yahoo.com>
>> Sender: kenyaonline@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 07:19:08
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>> Subject: [KOL] Re: Minister threatens to ditch Raila team
>>
>> Cheap people make cheap arguments for their cause of action.
>>
>> Among the reasons as reported by the media "for the intended ditch" from
>> the
>> RAO team/ODM is that RAO has not settled the people who had been forced
>> out
>> of the MAU Water catchment.
>>
>> I remember having had this debate sometime back up to when an ad hoc
>> team/committee was appointed to look unto the mau resettlement.
>>
>> I believe the mps now quiting should help kenyan tax payers by looking at
>> what the ad hoc committee has done as opposed to quiting or else they
>> should
>> tell us what ODM as a party has to do with resettlement in terms of
>> finding
>> alternative land and funds to effect the resettlement.
>>
>> Further,in what party are they going that will do the needful.
>>
>> Now,what does quiting mean ;- making public utterances and continue in
>> parliament drawing salaries under the ODM plate! As a kenyan,i demand to
>> know the responsibilty of the said mps in the resettlement of the MAU
>> Evictees besides the IDP who are hardly talked of today.
>>
>> Evans MACHERA.
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com>
>> To: wanakenya@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: kenyaonline@yahoogroups.com; uchunguzi online
>> <uchunguzionline@yahoogroups.com>; the last word to kenya
>> <thelastwordtokenya@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2012 12:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [KOL] Re: Minister threatens to ditch Raila team
>>
>>
>>
>> OK. Do you agree with Lee the focus should be elsewhere and not Kosgey
>> Henry? I rarely agree with Lee on politics but on that one he hit the
>> right
>> spot.
>>
>> Who is the woman MO and others have recommended to Agwambo? Sally Kosgey?
>> Another mistep. Wanjiru? Waste of time? Ngilu? Will not deliver any
>> votes.
>> So ODM should forget taking a woman as VP because I dont see any bringing
>> any votes on the table.
>>
>> The battle ground is Kisii, and Coast. Rao cannot get a Kisii VP and so
>> he
>> should move elsewhere.
>>
>> I think ODM is wasting time in Meru also. They should look at what Muite
>> did
>> to Jaramogi in 92 before they waste a cabinet post on Imanyara. Mombasa
>> should get a cabinet post and VP from ODM because that is a battle ground
>> and the best chance for Rao.
>>
>> But who said round two should not be a factor? One may not deliver in
>> round
>> 1 but gets votes in round two. Think Western if you are Raila.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Samuel Omwenga <somwenga@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> KM,
>>>
>>>What's going on as to this is as I blogged earlier, namely, this is all
>>> about ODM VP slot.
>>>
>>>
>>>Peace, Unity and Truth
>>>
>>>Omwenga
>>>
>>>
>>>On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Omwenga
>>>>I guess so because I have not seen anything close to such meeting
>>>> anywhere
>>>> else. Lets wait for tomorrows meeting but I hear we may not get much
>>>> from
>>>> that meeting too.
>>>>
>>>>Ruto was only reported to have met Balala and Peter Kenneth today so ODM
>>>> folks sweating now should stay calmly. MO is too quiet yet he is know
>>>> to
>>>> get into such discussion without provocation. Tell him not get worried
>>>> at
>>>> all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Samuel Omwenga <somwenga@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>KM,
>>>>>
>>>>>This is not only a rumor; it's a desperate rumor by depressed people
>>>>> who
>>>>> can't believe Raila and ODM have regained and continue to regain
>>>>> ground
>>>>> in RV in the manner they are.
>>>>>
>>>>>Continue to practice those majestic words or get ready to be used to
>>>>> them
>>>>> after March 4, 2013.
>>>>>
>>>>>His Excellency President Raila Amolo Odinga.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Peace, Unity and Truth
>>>>>
>>>>>Omwenga
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Okil:
>>>>>>Things are elephant now in RV for Rao.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Can you confirm this rumor maramoja because it will be Omwenga, Lee,
>>>>>> MO
>>>>>> and other ODMers banking on Rao winning RV sweat and cry until the
>>>>>> last
>>>>>> drop go? This is no good news if true. Saturday is not even here with
>>>>>> us and Lee is saying there is hope in South Rift. Hope when all those
>>>>>> gnus are leaving ODM for Ruto (is it the former Jirongo partt?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please find out if this true so that I can ask a few women on these
>>>>>> forums to let Omwenga, Lee, MO and other ODMers lean on them and cry
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> they lean on their shoulders. I would not advice them to come close
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> you or me because we would be laughing at them.....hahahahahaha! It
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> not fair for some to be laughing while others are crying so lets be
>>>>>> zip
>>>>>> up (for now).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mass Exodus of Odm Mps to Urp Currently Happening in
>>>>>> Karenhttp://nipate.com/mass-exodus-of-odm-mps-to-urp-currently-happening-in-karen-t16291.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hon Frankline Bett, Magerer Langat, Dr Joyce Laboso, Dr. Sally Kosgey,
>>>>>> Beatrice Kones also included
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Nyamodi Ochieng Nyamogo
>>>>>> <okil@nyamogoadvocates.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>KM,
>>>>>>>     "What is going on in South Rift"?! Probably the chicken,
>>>>>>> finally,
>>>>>>>are coming home to roost! If that comes to pass then, very soon, do
>>>>>>>not ask me what is going on in Western, and, even Kitui Central!
>>>>>>>                                                  Nyamodi
>>>>>>> Ochieng-Nyamogo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 9/7/12, Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Shem Ochuodho is just a polite version of Miguna. They are very
>>>>>>>> similar behind the scenes except that Shem is polite in public but
>>>>>>>> Miguna is very arrogant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Courage
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/7/12, Nelson Oreje <nelsonoreje@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Lee, I really need to know which post Shem is vying for
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     .
>>>>>>>>>     Only the paranoid survive
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Lee Makwiny <amosogal@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sender: wanakenya@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 11:40:24
>>>>>>>>> To: <wanakenya@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: wanakenya@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>> Cc: uchunguzi online<uchunguzionline@yahoogroups.com>; the last
>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> kenya<thelastwordtokenya@yahoogroups.com>; KENYA
>>>>>>>>> ONLINE<kenyaonline@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Minister threatens to ditch Raila team
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Roz,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Say hi to Shem Ochuodho. He blocked me from all his forums. A real
>>>>>>>>> democrat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 11:39 AM, roz kahumbu
>>>>>>>>> <rozkah2005@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Meantime...wrap up and Chill out .... WITCHDOCTOR ON DUTY.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEk0bamXv6k&feature=related
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Lee Makwiny <amosogal@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* wanakenya@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>> *Cc:* progressive-kenyans <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 7, 2012 11:19 AM
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Minister threatens to ditch Raila team
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We are unveiling our new catch in two weeks time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lots of you will not believe.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Oduya - Magunga
>>>>>>>>>> <oduyaericson@yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You may be right in your candid analysis.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Whatever it is, that make these guys uneasy on the Bitter Lemon
>>>>>>>>>> Party,
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> it for the good of the PM?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ***********************************************
>>>>>>>>>> Oduya-Magunga,
>>>>>>>>>>             Cell: +256 756 116 303
>>>>>>>>>>        E-mail: oduyaericson@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ***********************************************
>>>>>>>>>> I have tasted the wines of His love,
>>>>>>>>>>          smelt the fragrance of His grace,
>>>>>>>>>>             My God reigns, and that is,
>>>>>>>>>>                   enough for my soul.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ***********************************************
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Mark Kirario <mark@pollmans.co.ke>
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* wanakenya@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 7, 2012 9:24 AM
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: Minister threatens to ditch Raila team
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> MO, Omwenga, Lee, Khaguli, Nyandoto et all
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To the best of my belief, below has got all aspects to do with
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>> kid
>>>>>>>>>> on the block "Henry Kosgey", who seems to enjoy some "kind of
>>>>>>>>>> goodwill"
>>>>>>>>>> from the PM, and he accompanies the PM to all the ODM rallies.
>>>>>>>>>> Now
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> South Rift, who are yearning for Road Minister Franklin Bett to
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> appointed running mate of the PM, seems not ready to wait for the
>>>>>>>>>> ODM
>>>>>>>>>> delegates to make final decision. They kind of want to intimidate
>>>>>>>>>> the PM
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> nominate Franklin directly without waiting to face the delegates
>>>>>>>>>> decision.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The big question is, Why are they shying away from the normal
>>>>>>>>>> procedure,
>>>>>>>>>> where the delegates are supposed to have the final say and make
>>>>>>>>>> wise
>>>>>>>>>> decision from the list of the would be aspirants? Secondly, why
>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> (South rift) move as a team around the RV province and other
>>>>>>>>>> Kenyan
>>>>>>>>>> provinces to source for Odm delegate votes like Kosgey is
>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>> doing?
>>>>>>>>>> Why do they want a special favour from the PM, and always feel
>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> North Rift has been constantly been favoured more than the South
>>>>>>>>>> Rift?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What about the feelings and aspirations of the *leading men and
>>>>>>>>>> women*from
>>>>>>>>>> other regions, if the S.Rift wishes were acknowledged? Some
>>>>>>>>>> counseling
>>>>>>>>>> needed here, URGENLTY.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* wanakenya@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:wanakenya@googlegroups.com]
>>>>>>>>>> *On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Kuria-Mwangi
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:20 PM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* progressive-kenyans
>>>>>>>>>> *Cc:* uchunguzi online; kenyaonline@yahoogroups.com; Africa-Oped;
>>>>>>>>>> WanaKenya
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Minister threatens to ditch Raila team
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lee, Omwenga, Kibet, Sang na wengine:
>>>>>>>>>> What is going on in South Rift? Are these gnus looking for an
>>>>>>>>>> excuse to
>>>>>>>>>> jump ship or what? I thought Omwenga said South Rift is on Raila
>>>>>>>>>> column?
>>>>>>>>>> Are they planning to join Ruto or what this saturday? Rao should
>>>>>>>>>> talk to
>>>>>>>>>> these fellows because he cannot afford to see more walk out.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Minister+threatens+to+ditch+Raila+team+++/-/1064/1498462/-/as2o51z/-/index.html
>>>>>>>>>> Prime Minister Raila Odinga's campaign on Thursday hit political
>>>>>>>>>> turbulence after an assistant minister threatened to "reconsider
>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>> partnership" with the PM.
>>>>>>>>>> This comes as Mr Odinga's top campaign manager, Mr James Ongwae,
>>>>>>>>>> resigned
>>>>>>>>>> to vie for the Kisii County governor's seat in the coming polls.
>>>>>>>>>> Energy assistant minister Magerer Langat turned his dagger on the
>>>>>>>>>> PM and
>>>>>>>>>> accused him of neglecting the Mau evictees.
>>>>>>>>>> He criticised Mr Odinga over failure to implement resettlement
>>>>>>>>>> plans for
>>>>>>>>>> the affected families.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All South Rift MPs meet on Saturday at Tegat Catholic Church
>>>>>>>>>> where,
>>>>>>>>>> according to Mr Langat, a major announcement will be made.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> [image: User avatar]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kuria-mwangi.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/kjmwangi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>Chief Executive Officer
>>>>>LLP Enterprise, LLC
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