Monday 24 September 2012

Re: [wanabidii] Sherehe za Dr. Harrison Mwakyembe za kumshukuru Mungu - Nduli, Ikolo, Kyela

Edgar,

Hiyo ni tafasiri tu, lakini naona maana yake waielewa.
Babu na mababu zetu hawakuujua ukristo, uislam, uhindu wala ukoja, walikuwa na dini zao za kiafrika. Tatizo sisi tunashikilia dini za kuletwa zaidi ya hao waliozileta wanavyoziona leo.

Kuna wazungu wachache makanisani sasa kuliko waafrika tunavyofurika makanisani na misikitini.
Pia mtu akikashifu dini zetu za asili hakuna aliyekasirika hadi afikie kuua kama tunavyoshikilia imani za dini za kuletwa hadi tunaua tumdhaniaye anakashifu au kukufuru! Ndiyo maana hamdani ya kinachonishangaza!

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From: Edgar Mbegu <embegu@hotmail.com>
Sender: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:33:42 +0000
To: Wanabidii Mawazo<wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
ReplyTo: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [wanabidii] Sherehe za Dr. Harrison Mwakyembe za kumshukuru Mungu - Nduli, Ikolo, Kyela

Tonny, Dini za kuletwa maana yake nini?
Siasa nazo si tumeletewa? Teknolojia nayo si tumeletewa? Ubaya uko wapi?


Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:08:30 +0300
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Sherehe za Dr. Harrison Mwakyembe za kumshukuru Mungu - Nduli, Ikolo, Kyela
From: lutinwa@gmail.com
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com

Mr. Mtanda,

Sorry, ninavyofahamu, kuna tofauti kati ya Mungu na mungu; sina hakika kama Mr Mwakyambe anaweza kumtolea sadaka mungu. Nadhani alikuwa anamtolea sadaka Mungu na sio mungu.

Lutinwa

2012/9/24 <nevilletz@gmail.com>
Yes Dennis,
Hilo ndo suala la kujadili maana pale kwenye eneo la Ibada, hapakuwa mahali mwafaka pa kauli yake!

Pale alipaswa kuzungumzia afya yake na jinsi Mungu alivyomponya.
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From: denis Matanda <denis.matanda@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 09:32:49 +0300
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Sherehe za Dr. Harrison Mwakyembe za kumshukuru Mungu - Nduli, Ikolo, Kyela

Kumshukuru mungu ni kitu kizuri, vipi kuhusu kutumia siku hiyo kutoa matamko ya kisiasa? Hivi pale alipokuwa anasema polisi wa dar wawataje wanaoiba mafuta bandarini haikuwa ni kwenye hiyo hiyo sherehe? Kama nimeona vibaya au kusikia vibaya nisamehewe bure!!!!!

2012/9/24 <nevilletz@gmail.com>
Katika historia ya madhehebu ya Kiprotestant, (sina uhakika na Roman Catholic), utoaji wa shukrani mbele ya Mungu ni jambo la hiari ambalo muumini yeyote anaweza kufanya baada ya kuponywa au kuepushwa na hatari yoyote ile.

Wengine huomba kusindikizwa (kuungwa mkono) na ndugu zake, marafiki na katika hali hii sadaka ya shukrani inaweza kuwa tukio kubwa linaloambatana na sherehe.

Kwa mtu kama Dk Mwakyembe, akiwa muumini wa kanisa la Moravian, kwake kutoa shukrani baada ya kuugua muda mrefu na baadaye kuteuliwa kuwa Waziri ni jambo lililotarajiwa!

Kwa maana hiyo, tunaweza kuwa na maoni na mitizamo tofauti kuhusu sadaka ya Mwakyembe, lakini kwetu sisi tunaoabudu katika madhehebu kama Lutheran, Anglican, Menonite, AICT, Presibiterian nk ni jambo la kawaida. Sio jambo geni wala la kustaajabisha hata kidogo!
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From: Lutgard Kagaruki <lutgardk@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 21:32:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Sherehe za Dr. Harrison Mwakyembe za kumshukuru Mungu - Nduli, Ikolo, Kyela

Eh!! Mimi nilidhani ni uhuru wa mawazo? Nimesema ya kwangu, sikusema mtu afuate; nawe umetoa ya kwako, of course sitayafuata!! Ndo demokrasis hiyo!! LKK
 


From: Edgar Mbegu <embegu@hotmail.com>
To: Wanabidii Mawazo <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: [wanabidii] Sherehe za Dr. Harrison Mwakyembe za kumshukuru Mungu - Nduli, Ikolo, Kyela

LKK unatoa hoja ya ajabu kweli. Kwa sababu wewe umeacha kutoa michango Kanisani kwa hiyo unataka na wengine waache? Wewe umekuwa lini kipimo cha tabia ya wengine tangu lini? Tuwaache wanasiasa wana dini zao na hobbies zao.
Mbona wanachangia Simba na Yanga? Mbona wanachangia harusi? Kama fedha wanazotoa kama michango ni halali, nini kitanatuuma? Au Katiba na Sheria zetu zinakataza viongozi wa Serikali wasishiriki shughuli za dini zao? Tuwabane wasichote fedha za serikali kwa shughuli yoyote ya binafsi kwanza. Lakini, hatuwezi kuwazuia kushiriki katika shughuli za binafsi wanazozipenda; ni haki yao!


Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Sherehe za Dr. Harrison Mwakyembe za kumshukuru Mungu - Nduli, Ikolo, Kyela
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
From: tony_uk45@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 16:59:25 +0000

Nico,

Watu hawakumbuki historia ya utawala kuwa wafalme wote wa enzi za kiimla, fascist, imperials n.k walikubalika kwanza kwenye himaya za kidini (the holly-sea etc..). Bila hivyo hupati ufalme!

Baada ya frustrations za kila aina waumini kwenye dunia ya umaskini hukimbilia dini, kwa bahati mbaya ni dini za kuletwa na sio asili, kama mkombozi wao. Dunia ya ulaya, marekani, zenye utajiri na maisha bora waumini wanazidi kupungua!
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From: Nico Eatlawe <eatlawe@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 17:51:06 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Sherehe za Dr. Harrison Mwakyembe za kumshukuru Mungu - Nduli, Ikolo, Kyela

Kwani kuna ajabu gani kufanya hivyo? Mbona tangu zamani siasa zinafanywa tu kwenye sehemu za ibada? Au baada ya mwamini kushinda na kuitwa na viongozi wa dini hata kupewa nasaha na wengine hata kujenga nyumba za ibada tangu awamu ya pili na kuna nyumba za ibada zinaitwa kwa majina ya utani ya viongozi? Tuache unafiki. Hivyo vitu vinafanyika ingawa siyo sahihi. Wengine hata kutumia nafasi zao kutaka kuingiza nchi kwenye jumuiza za kidini. So what do you want to say? People especially politicians come to positions loaded with their religious missions and prejudices. But this is dangerous though, but who will speak? Fear of being kolimbaed! Mara ngapi hotuba za serikali zimetolewa kwenye sherehe za dini wakati tunaimba kutenganisha siasa na dini? Mara ngapi sherehe za dini zimekuwa na wageni rasmi wanasiasa pamoja na kuzindua mikanda ya dini au kufanya harambe za nyumba za ibada? Mpaka wa siasa na dini ni nini? These are imaginary boundary eti state and religion are independent units! Is a lie! Wanigeria husema hivyo. Kisiasa ndio. Ila Ijumaa wanasiasa huenda kuswali na Jumapili wanasiasa huenda kusali. Na wakiwa ibadani ni washiriki na hutii hiyo mamlaka. Ni kama mume na mke tu. Hata mke akiwa waziri akija nyumbani hata kama bwana na taxi driver lazima atakuwa kichwa cha nyumba.

From: Mohamedi Mtoi <mouddymtoi@gmail.com>
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 23 September 2012, 17:39
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Sherehe za Dr. Harrison Mwakyembe za kumshukuru Mungu - Nduli, Ikolo, Kyela

Huko tuendako makanisa yatakuwa ya kuabudu watu kwa vile walijitolea kujenga na kufadhili makanisa. Makanisa na misikiti itakuja kuitwa majina ya wanasiasa! Kanisa la mwakyembe, kanisa la lowaasa, msikiti wa kigwangala nk.

Tuuchukie upumbavu huu unao hamishiwa kwenye nyumba za ibada.
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From: Lutgard Kagaruki <lutgardk@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 09:33:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Sherehe za Dr. Harrison Mwakyembe za kumshukuru Mungu - Nduli, Ikolo, Kyela

Ndo maana mi nilishaacha siku nyingi mambo haya ya michango! Kuna maskini wengi wa kuweza kusidiwa, si lazima kanisani. Maana unachanga asubuhi, jioni jamaa yuko kaunta na toto akifaidi sedaka yako!! LKK
 



From: Laurean Rugambwa <rugambwa@hotmail.com>
To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Wanabidii googlegroups <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Sherehe za Dr. Harrison Mwakyembe za kumshukuru Mungu - Nduli, Ikolo, Kyela

Matinyi,
Penda usipende kaka, huo ndo mradi na Mtaji wa kisiasa kwa sasa. Tumeona viongozi wastaafu baada ya kuona waliowaachia madaraka hawa wajali waliingia na kujikita makanisani! Makanisani ndo mahala pa kujificha na kubebwa. Ndio siasa zetu zinakoenda huko.

Ukwasi ulioko kanisani unatisha, hakuna auditor huo,hakuna bodi, hakuna mtu wa kuueleza umma fedha zile tunachanga kanisani zinatumikaje.

Hao viongozi wa dini kazi Yao kuchangisha fedha kwa anayeweza fanya hivo, fedha chafu, waumini wachafu ukichangia tu fedha wewe unapewa kiti cha Mbele, unatukuzwa. Mambo ya ajabu!

Kanisani sasa hivi ni Kama saccos, wako busy wanachangishana fedha,hawafanyi kazi ya injili, muda mwingi ni michango, sasa watakataaje wanasiasa?

From LR

On 23 Sep 2012, at 18:26, "Mobhare Matinyi" <matinyi@hotmail.com> wrote:

.... lakini sipendi tabia ya wanasiasa na viongozi wengine wa kijamii kujibanzabanza kwenye nyumba za ibada kama ninavyoichukia hii tabia iliyoibuka siku hizi ya wanasiasa kutoa salamu hii:
 
...Asalamu Aleikumu, Bwana asifiwe.
 
Tunazidi kuwa taifa la kijinga.
 
Sipendi uunganishaji wa siasa na dini; sipendi viongozi wa dini kuabudiwa. Nasema sipendi.
 
 
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> Subject: [wanabidii] Sherehe za Dr. Harrison Mwakyembe za kumshukuru Mungu - Nduli, Ikolo, Kyela
> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
> From: hkigwangalla@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 14:31:17 +0000
>
> Tuko hapa nduli kanisani, Ikolo, Kyela kumuunga mkono Dr. Mwakyembe wakati akimshukuru Mungu kwa kumponya. Ameamua kujenga kanisa na kituo cha chekechea na biashara za akinamama kama sadaka yake kwa Mungu. Sisi tumekuja kumsindikiza. Bravo Komredi! Walikuwpo watu wngi akiwemo S Sitta, Tizeba, Mulugo, Maige, Kilufi, Zambi, Mtutura, Mwambalaswa, Mwandosya, Ngoye, Lembeli etc bila kuwasahau Ndg. Mboka - kijana aliyemuokota Dr. Mwakyembe kwenye ajali ya Ihemi Iringa, inayosadikiwa kuwa ilelenga kuondoa uhai wake, pia Ndg Paul Makonda, Rais wa TAHLISO na ambaye anagombea Umakamu Mwenyekiti wa UVCCM, Ndg. Eng Chambo
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