Re: [wanabidii] Muslim Cleric Tears Bible at Protest outside the US Embassy in Cairo

My God is the God of peace, forgiveness, saving justice and steadfast
love. I don't believe in the God of violence - who is over there
smiling when believers resort to violence. This God is non-existent
but we create him and manipulate and influence him to like our whims!

On 9/18/12, Fatima Husenali <husenalif@gmail.com> wrote:
> Muslims can't just stand by and watch their prophet being mocked.
>
> Just as they can't just stand by and watch their daughters dressing like a
> westerner or dating a non-Muslim.
>
> Muslims can't just stand by and watch their son or daughter or an absolute
> stranger who is gay.
>
> They resort to violence.
>
> All religions have intolerance at their core.
> But Islam wins the "hysterical mob incited to violence award" and the
> "prepared to kill strangers for God" award every time.
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:44 AM, denis Matanda
> <denis.matanda@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Kwa nilivyomuelewa Bart ni kuwa kuichoma biblia ni irrelevant!
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Nicomedes Kajungu
>> <nicomedes76@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Bart
>>>
>>> Kwa hiyo ruksa kuchoma biblia?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Bart Mkinga <bmkinga@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Christianity faith is in the heart of the believer not in the Bible,
>>>> not anywhere else. Those who tear and burn bible are not killing
>>>> christianity. We believe in Jesus Christ the Mesiah, God of Peace
>>>> and Forgiveness. Not doing as the perpetrators wished, is a clear win
>>>> against them.
>>>>
>>>> God does not need a weak creature, human being to fight for his
>>>> kingdom,
>>>> a single word from him can turn everything into ashes, if he wishes.
>>>> Sometimes God allow certain things to happen so that we may see his
>>>> almighty power and glory. The biggest weapon of a christianity faith
>>>> believer is a prayer - to pray for all those who live in the darkness
>>>> so
>>>> that there is a day when they can see light, the light of the true
>>>> savior.
>>>> If you turn against your enemy, how do you differ from those who do not
>>>> know God?
>>>>
>>>> Bart
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Abu Ayman <abuayman888@gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2012 11:46 AM
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [wanabidii] Muslim Cleric Tears Bible at Protest outside
>>>> the US Embassy in Cairo
>>>>
>>>> If this is true, it is TOTALY acceptable in Islam. There is no
>>>> justification whatsoever for this immoral act. Islam is free from this
>>>> behavior. While we do not believe in the Bible as the cardinal book of
>>>> God,
>>>> at the same time we do acknowledge that it contains some words from the
>>>> Creator and therefore it deserves respect.
>>>> To me this is the first time i have heard of the Bible being burnt by
>>>> someone who calls himself a Muslim, but it is also fair for our
>>>> Christian
>>>> breathren to condemn the various acts of savagery being perpetrated
>>>> against
>>>> the Qur'an- a book held dear by Muslims. Time and again, we have seen
>>>> the
>>>> Quran being desecrated, burnt and even urinated on by people who
>>>> include
>>>> Pastors and Christian clerics. Sadly, there is no condemnation from the
>>>> Christian fraternity against this abhorrent behavior.
>>>> Let us be fair and just
>>>>
>>>> Abu Ayman
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Nicomedes Kajungu <
>>>> nicomedes76@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Utawala wa Yesu Kristo si wa dunia hii, ungekuwa wa dunia hii
>>>> angelishusha jeshi la malaika kupambana.
>>>>
>>>> Wasameheni hawajui walitendalo. Ila waangalie hasira ya Mungu isije
>>>> ikawatafuna.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:33 AM, paul lawala
>>>> <pasamila292000@gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hatuwezi kulumbana kwa sababu mtu mwingine kachana biblia
>>>>
>>>> Hatuna muda wa kupoteza kulipiza kisasi kulenga matukio kama hayo
>>>>
>>>> Haikusemwa kwamba Yesu si mungu na hatukulipiza kisasi?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Godfrey Ngupula <ngupula@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > You guys,don't mind about Muslims tearing bibles and whatever,the God
>>>> of
>>>> > Christians is strong enough to fight for himself. Does not need
>>>> > anyone
>>>> to
>>>> > fight for him. Pia alisema,hasira hukaa kifuani mwa mpumbavu.
>>>> > Upumbavu
>>>> wa
>>>> > mpumbavu ni matendo yake mwenyewe....Can you imagine,kuna uhusiano
>>>> gani kati
>>>> > ya film na American government na bible...?
>>>> >
>>>> > Kabla ya kushangaa hayo sana,utashangaa pia kuna uhusiano gani kati
>>>> > ya
>>>> > Uamsho wa Zanzibar na kuchoma makanisa?na pia ushangae wanoitwa
>>>> > wahuni
>>>> > wanafanya watakalo kama kwamba Tz haina serikali...
>>>> >
>>>> > Godfrey Ngupula
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ________________________________
>>>> > From: Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>
>>>> > To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>>>> > Sent: Sunday, 16 September 2012, 10:33
>>>> > Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Muslim Cleric Tears Bible at Protest outside
>>>> the US
>>>> > Embassy in Cairo
>>>> >
>>>> > What I still don't understand is the relationship between America and
>>>> > the film in question. Was the film made by the American government?
>>>> > Then why attach American Embassies and kill the Ambassador?
>>>> > And now the Egyptian tearing the Bible !! How are Christians to take
>>>> > this? These are big questions.
>>>> >
>>>> > Courage,
>>>> > Oduor Maurice
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 9/16/12, Bariki Mwasaga <bmwasaga@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> Pata picha baba Paroko mmoja afanye hivyo .........................
>>>> >>
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>>>> >> Friday, September 14, 2012
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *Muslim Cleric Tears Bible at Protest outside the US Embassy in
>>>> >> Cairo*
>>>> >>
>>>> >> By Dan Wooding
>>>> >> Founder of ASSIST Ministries
>>>> >>
>>>> >> * CAIRO, EGYPT* * (ANS) *-- During the demonstration which was held
>>>> >> in
>>>> >> front of the American Embassy in Cairo on Tuesday, 9/11, a Muslim
>>>> cleric
>>>> >> named Abu Islam tore and burned the Holy Bible in front of thousands
>>>> of
>>>> >> Muslims. His action was met with applause and anti-Christian cheers
>>>> from
>>>> >> the demonstrators.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *A clip from the video*
>>>> >> According to Mary Abdelmassih in a story carried by the Assyrian
>>>> >> International News Agency (http://www.aina.org/), the cleric, before
>>>> leaving the
>>>>
>>>> >> demonstration and getting into his car, told the crowds "next time I
>>>> will
>>>> >> urinate on it."
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The video -- http://vladtepesblog.com/?p=52886 -- shows the Muslim
>>>> cleric
>>>> >> tearing the Bible and says:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> * 0.02 "the overwhelming Book, the Book of Truth and Peace. The
>>>> >> place
>>>> for
>>>> >> these words and this book is over the heads because it is the real
>>>> >> inspiration. (He places the Koran on his head) voices chanting
>>>> >> Allahu
>>>> >> Akbar.
>>>> >> * 0.30 He Says: message to the Egyptian Christians. Out of respect
>>>> >> and
>>>> >> politeness to the Egyptian Christians we will not do the same like
>>>> what
>>>> >> they did to our God's book, we will be generous towards you today
>>>> >> and
>>>> say
>>>> >> we will respect you "momentarily." We will respect this book which
>>>> >> is
>>>> in
>>>> >> the Arabic language.
>>>> >> * 0:54 Demonstrators' chants "Coming, Coming O Islam"
>>>> >> * 1.09 Abu Islam holds another Bible and says: This is the book the
>>>> dog
>>>> >> Terry believes in, as well as those dogs with him the Egyptian
>>>> Christians
>>>> >> in America.
>>>> >> * 1.19 Abu Islam: Today I can only TEAR IT APART. He starts tearing
>>>> the
>>>> >> bible and throwing the leaves towards the mob, amid chants of Allahu
>>>> Akbar
>>>> >> and "Khaybar, Khaybar, O Jews, the army of Mohammad is coming."
>>>> >> * 2.06 Abu Islam saying: to all the cross worshippers around the
>>>> world we
>>>> >> will not keep quiet . Today, we tore it.
>>>> >> * 2.13 a man in blue beside him burns the bible raising it for
>>>> everyone to
>>>> >> see.
>>>> >> * Abu Islam: Salamu Aleycom (Peace be with you) and leaves, with mob
>>>> >> chanting "Khaybar, Khaybar, O Jews, the army of Mohammad is coming."
>>>> >> "Governing, governing, O Koran." "Coming, Coming O Islam."
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *The cleric with supporters *
>>>> >> Abdelmassih went on to report that Dr. Mustafa Maraghy, professor
>>>> >> of
>>>> law
>>>> >> and Islamic law at Cairo University, filed a complaint with the
>>>> Attorney
>>>> >> General against the cleric, whose real name is Ahmed Abdullah. The
>>>> >> complaint cited Abdullah, who is the owner of the TV channel the
>>>> Islamic
>>>> >> Nation, for contempt of religion, disturbing public security and
>>>> peace.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dr Maraghy, who is the chairman of the Coptic Coalition, said that
>>>> tearing
>>>> >> and burning the Holy Bible, which all Christians in the world
>>>> >> believe
>>>> in,
>>>> >> is a "villainous and barbaric act." He added that it is not
>>>> >> permitted
>>>> at
>>>> >> all to defame religions. "The same hurt feelings we felt by the film
>>>> which
>>>> >> insulted the prophet is the same that we felt by this criminal act,"
>>>> he
>>>> >> said.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> He vowed that the Coptic Coalition will not ignore such "ignorant
>>>> people"
>>>> >> but will prosecute them. The Maspero Coptic Youth Union has called
>>>> >> on
>>>> >> President Morsy to intervene immediately to put an end to any
>>>> >> efforts
>>>> >> which
>>>> >> would kindle the fire of sedition between Muslims and Copts.
>>>> >> Another complaint was also filed this morning against Abu Islam by
>>>> Karam
>>>> >> Gabriel, lawyer with the Copts of Egypt Coalition, for his recent
>>>> burning
>>>> >> of the Holy Bible as well as his previous insults to Christianity
>>>> through
>>>> >> his books and through his Islamic Nation TV Channel.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Abdelmassih then stated that the Coalition, which has among its
>>>> members
>>>> >> Muslims and Copts, has issued an official statement condemning the
>>>> film
>>>> >> insulting the Prophet of Islam. Magdy Saber, spokesman for the
>>>> >> Union,
>>>> >> condemned Abu Islam's tearing and burning of the Bible in front of
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> Copts who were present before the US Embassy, where they had gone in
>>>> >> support of their Muslim brothers regarding to prophet's film.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Saber demanded from officials to take the necessary measures to
>>>> prevent
>>>> >> sedition among the Egyptians. "If we condemn the film-makers of the
>>>> >> prophet
>>>> >> film who live outside Egypt," he said, "we should also condemn this
>>>> >> disgraceful act in Egypt, stressing the need to punish Abu Islam for
>>>> his
>>>> >> irresponsible actions."
>>>> >>
>>>> >> In an interview today with The Mohit newspaper, Abu Islam denied
>>>> burning
>>>> >> the Bible, saying, "I tore it apart and threw it to the
>>>> >> demonstrators
>>>> to
>>>> >> step on it with their shoes." He added, "Next time I will make my
>>>> grandson
>>>> >> urinate on it, as the saying goes, an eye for an eye and tooth for a
>>>> tooth
>>>> >> and the starter is at fault."
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Commenting on the fact that the film producers do not represent all
>>>> Copts
>>>> >> and the masses of the American people and therefore their holy book
>>>> should
>>>> >> not be insulted in response, Abu Islam said "if someone one did
>>>> something,
>>>> >> everyone bears the guilt and bears the outcome. Did not all Muslims
>>>> bear
>>>> >> the pain of what Osama bin Laden did? Did not all Muslims bear the
>>>> pain of
>>>> >> Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman being described as a terrorist? Let them
>>>> taste
>>>> >> from the cup the Islamic world had to drink."
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Coptic activist Mark Ebeid said, "Until now we have not heard any
>>>> >> condemnation from any Muslim organization or Al-Azhar, as our church
>>>> did
>>>> >> concerning the Prophet film. We have hope that the Church will say
>>>> >> something about our Holy Book."
>>>> >> ------------------------------
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>>>> parents,
>>>> >> is
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>>>> >> California
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