[wanabidii] RE: The Malawi-Tanzania Lake Nyasa Border Dispute.

Mhadhiri Bakari,

Huyu mpiganaji shupavu wa nchi yetu alipokuwa California nilikwenda pale chuoni kwao lakini ratiba ikawa ngumu nikashindwa kuonana naye. Nilijivuna sana kusikia Mtanzania anaramba shule pale. Nipatie mawasiliano yake nimtumie hongera zake. Hii shule si mchezo.

Niliposoma ujumbe wako nikahisi unataka kunirushia makombora. Kwa hiyo, kama ujuavyo wanazuoni, nikakimbilia kwenye Hitimisho na Mapendekezo. Nimekuta kwamba hakuna tofauti na ninachofikiri ama na mwelekeo wa nilichoandika ingawa kuna mahali tunatofautiana.

Hitimisho lake limeanza hivi:

The border dispute has been ongoing for five decades, making it an incessantly potential 'conflict flashpoint' for three main reasons. First, Malawi's claim to the entire lake, which goes against the internationally recognized border, is perilous for both countries and the region at large. Second, tensions still simmer over the violent behavior both countries observed during the 1990s and Malawi's accusation of illegal fishing by Tanzanian fishermen and their subsequent ban on fishing in the lake. Third, resources from Lake Nyasa, which make up the livelihood for inhabitants dwelling in the region, are thinning at an alarming rate.

Halafu akaweka hii kitu - sikubaliani:

The study has shown that border disputes abound all over the world, and their resolution is possible through democratic processes and international arbitration and negotiations, rather than through armed conflicts.

Ipo mifano mingi ya migororo ya mipaka ambayo imeshindwa kutatuliwa kwa njia hizo na hadi leo imedumu. Mfano mmoja ni wa Uganda-Kenya kwenye Migingo ambapo Kenya imeamua kuwa mnyonge; Ethiopia na Eritrea ambapo Eritrea ina hasira lakini haijui ifanyeje. Ukienda kule Asia China ina migororo rundo na kila mtu; nab ado kuna ule wa Korea Kaskazini na Korea Kusini; halafu Korea Kusini na Japan kuhusu visiwa. Ni kweli kwamba vita inaweza isimalize ugomvi, lakini pia si kweli njia za mezani humaliza matatizo. Kama ni hivyo kusingekuwa na migogoro kabisa ya mipaka.

Kwenye Mapendekezo yake amenifurahisha lakini je, ina maana sisi wote hatujui kwamba Malawi haitaki kitu? Kwa nini tunajifanya hatujui? Jamani, tuacheni ubishi, Malawi hawakubali kitu hapa, hata mahakama gani iamue. Subiri! Sawa, naweka nukuu ya tasnifu hii......

Both countries should work together to implement the agreement by mapping the border according to international regulations governing inland waterways and lakes.

Niishie hapo kwa leo.

Matinyi.

 

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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 05:51:12 -0700
From: maligwa1968@yahoo.com
Subject: The Malawi-Tanzania Lake Nyasa Border Dispute.
To: matinyi@hotmail.com
CC: wanabidii@googlegroups.com

Comrade Mobhare,

Most of the time we (as academicians) do purport that if you don't have observable facts and/or data you are not obliged to speak out. In essence, facts and/or data could only be obtained, analysed and used through observations and logic (scientific research). Here I attach a defended "thesis" of Col. Fulgence S. Msafiri of TPDF (Tanzania Peoples Defence Force) for Master of Science [MSc (Defence Analysis)] in one of the US Postgraduate Schoo (Naval). May I ask you to go through the thesis very carefull and thoroughly.

 

My concern is hinged on:

1. What is the root cause of the Malawi-Tanzania Lake Nyasa/Malawi border dispute?

2. Why Tanzania has delayed and/or derailed to take necessary steps to rationalise the matter for 49 years?

3. What should be done to alleviate the ongoing political tensions and/or war rhetorics between the two neighbhours?

 

Through Col. Msafiri's thesis the above questions are well attempted. It is mine hope that you (as a profession in crisis management and international interfaces) you will learn a lot through it. Please, I have made it as we need to be "proactive" and avoid being "reactive."

 

Wishing you all the best,

 

Pax Omnibus...!

 

Compariot and Comrade;

 

Bakari M Mohamed, BBA [PLM], CPSP [T], MSc (PSCM), Reg. PSP (AU 0005)

1. Lecturer in Procurement and Supply Chain Management
2. Procurement and Supply Chain Auditor
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From: Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com>
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 2:28 PM
Subject: RE: [wanabidii] I shall die for Malawi - President Banda

Magobe,
Hii pia:
 

"Cowards die many times before their deaths;
― William Shakespeare.

 
Nikipata muda nitasema kitu zaidi kuhusu huu mgogoro; ninachokiona ni watu kutokuwa na facts na historia ya nchi yetu. Baadhi mathalani wanalaumu mambo ambayo hayapo, na wala hajasemwa, na wengine wanashindwa kuelewa kwamba siasa za kimataifa haziendeshwi kama mahusiano yetu majumbani, maofisini, kwenye nyumba za ibada, n.k. Hivi vitu viko wazi tu ila kama mtu hapendi kufuatilia ila anapenda kuchangia, lazima atagonganisha mambo.
 
Matinyi.
 
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> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:58:11 +0300
> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] I shall die for Malawi - President Banda
> From: tmagobe@gmail.com
> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>
> Matinyi, character mmojawapo kwenye kitabu cha "A Grain of Wheat"
> anasema: "Cowards survive to see their mothers!"
>
> On 8/13/12, matinyi@hotmail.com <matinyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Hakuna taifa lisilokuwa na watu waoga.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > T-Mobile. America's First Nationwide 4G Network
> >
> > ----- Reply message -----
> > From: "Telesphor Magobe" <tmagobe@gmail.com>
> > To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
> > Subject: [wanabidii] I shall die for Malawi - President Banda
> > Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 3:31 am
> >
> >
> > Those who long for war should start it and fight it themselves!
> >
> > On 8/12/12, Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Nico,
> >>
> >> Yours is a strong voice of wisdom and reason. War over resources
> >> should be avoided by all means.
> >>
> >> Too many times us Walalahoi are sent to war and we die there but the
> >> resources we've fought for is then shared between multinational
> >> companies and a few Walalaheris in government.
> >>
> >> Courage,
> >> Oduor Maurice
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/12/12, Nico Eatlawe <eatlawe@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> This is not an issue that needs to be lookea at as a joke. It is not a
> >>> matter of military or economic might. It is about God's opinion of it at
> >>> the
> >>> end of the day. Blessed are the peacemakers, Jesus said. Instead of us
> >>> taking sides and arguing I think we need to ask God for negotiation to
> >>> be
> >>> successful. I congratulate Kibaki and Raila for not being arrogant and
> >>> proud. It has saved the two countries many lives and money. We have not
> >>> yet
> >>> recovered from Kagera war and will never want to see any other war
> >>> fought.
> >>> I
> >>> cannot forget my brother who fought in Uganda left children there and
> >>> died
> >>> after return of AIDS. Both countries should never think of overcoming
> >>> poverty using resources that are found in the lake. It is a lie. We have
> >>> more resources that are being mined but we remain poor. Even if oil is
> >>> discovered it will not solve any of our countries' problems. Imagine of
> >>> Nigeria will the oil they produce but who benefits? Let us not sacrifice
> >>> our
> >>> soldiers and
> >>> people for the looters while we ended getting breadcrumbs! God forbid!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>________________________________
> >>>> From: Judy Miriga <jbatec@yahoo.com>
> >>>>To: Judy Miriga <jbatec@yahoo.com>
> >>>>Sent: Sunday, 12 August 2012, 15:15
> >>>>Subject: [wanabidii] I shall die for Malawi - President Banda
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Folks,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Mobhare Matimy is right. Joyce Banda is wrong. She and her team need
> >>>>to go back to drawing board and get her geo/history right before calling
> >>>> for
> >>>>war. She has a lot to loose. This is exactly what happened to Migingo,
> >>>>where Kibaki and Raila for political gains, gave away Migingo to
> >>>> Museveni
> >>>>
> >>>>for Bushes water, fish business trading with oil trading
> >>>> exploration......While
> >>>>Kagame of Rwanda is dishing out Congo and East Africa wealth resources
> >>>>for Clinton's business interests network.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>There must be order people and things must be done the right way through
> >>>>mutual common interest of all......."Give and Take".......
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Tanzania must protect its interests........and, the scramble to Africa
> >>>>must be done orderly as Africans too must have ways and means to
> >>>>protect and preserve survival and livelihood of their people......
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>This is why, Africa must be included in the G20 club for Global Emerging
> >>>>Markets wayforward Agenda. Africa must not be left in the dark when the
> >>>>scramble to Africa aim at Africa's wealth resources.
> >>>>
> >>>>The Truth shall set us all free.........
> >>>>
> >>>>Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation
> >>>> Council
> >>>> Foundation for Africa Inc., USA
> >>>> http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>I shall die for Malawi - President Banda
> >>>>By Nyasa Times Reporter August 11, 2012 · 52 Comments
> >>>>Malawi President Joyce Banda on Saturday made an emotional declaration
> >>>> that
> >>>> she shall die for the sake of her country, in what others see as a
> >>>> defiant
> >>>> insinuation to the threats of war by Tanzania on the ownership of Lake
> >>>> Malawi.
> >>>>
> >>>>Speaking at a Ngoni traditional festival in the northern district of
> >>>> Mzimba
> >>>> on Saturday, Banda said emphatically in unrelated to the function: "I
> >>>> shall die for the people of Malawi. I shall die for the land of
> >>>> Malawi."
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>The Malawi leader has not commented on the row with Tanzania.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Tanzania has been warmongering on the standoff over oil and gas
> >>>> exploration
> >>>> in Lake Malawi - also known as Lake Nyasa in Tanzania.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>But Malawi has been diplomatic on the issue and are arranging showdown
> >>>> talks on August 20.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>President Banda arriving at the Ngoni function. Photo by Amanda
> >>>> Chiliro/Nyasa Times
> >>>>The dispute of the third-largest fresh water resource in Africa has
> >>>> escalated because Tanzania is demanding Malawi to halt exploration
> >>>> activities granted to British company Surestream Petroleum for oil and
> >>>> gas. Surestream is currently conducting an environmental impact
> >>>> assessment.
> >>>>Meanwhile, a history and political science lecturer at the Malawi
> >>>> Polytechnic, Simburashe Mungoshi suggests the dispute can only be
> >>>> resolved
> >>>> by compromise.
> >>>>"When these boundaries were agreed upon by the British and Germans it
> >>>> was
> >>>> a
> >>>> give and take game," said the lecturer on VOA.
> >>>>"The British had to give up claims in some territories in Tanganyika
> >>>> area.
> >>>> Needless to say the Germans had also to give up. So in which case, if
> >>>> Tanzania wants a change in boundaries it would be a give and take. If
> >>>> they
> >>>> want something they must give something. Malawi is a land locked
> >>>> country;
> >>>> we need access to the sea. May be they could give us an equivalent
> >>>> piece
> >>>> of land to take us to the sea."
> >>>>Malawi insists the whole lake belongs to her and there is no way the
> >>>> country can halt oil and gas exploration.
> >>>>A home to about 1,000 endemic species of fish Lake Malawi is located at
> >>>> the
> >>>> junction of Malawi, Mozambique and Tanzania. It sustains nearly 10
> >>>> million
> >>>> people in these three countries.
> >>>>Dispute on Lake Malawi: Tanzania says ready for any provocation
> >>>>August 3, 2012
> >>>>Tanzania government has hit back at the statement by Malawi for its
> >>>> claim
> >>>> of ownership of Lake Nyasa, saying the country would defend its
> >>>> territorial integrity and observe international laws.
> >>>>The acting Leader of government businesses in Parliament, Samweli Sitta
> >>>> ,
> >>>> said the Tanzania government was shocked by the information that
> >>>> principal
> >>>> secretary in Malawi's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Patrick Kabambe
> >>>> declared that the entire Lake Malawi also known in Tanzania as Lake
> >>>> Nyasa
> >>>> was wholly in Malawi.
> >>>>Sitta who is also the East Africa Cooperation minister said Tanzania
> >>>> government has been shocked by the statement because the discussion
> >>>> concerning the ownership of Lake Malawi was proceeding.
> >>>>Tanzania seeks 50 per cent ownership of Lake Malawi. The lake is in the
> >>>> southern part of Tanzania, bordering Malawi, and is reported to have
> >>>> signs
> >>>> of bearing oil and gas.
> >>>>
> >>>>Kabambe: To continue engaging Tanzania in talks
> >>>>He was commenting after a request for a government statement over the
> >>>> issue
> >>>> from MP Godfrey Zambi .
> >>>>"My voters have been calling to inform me about the statement by the
> >>>> Malawi
> >>>> government that Lake Nyasa belonged to Malawi.this has interfered with
> >>>> people's activities and threatened their security," Zambi said.
> >>>>Kabambe is quoted saying: "We categorically put it to them (Tanzania)
> >>>> that
> >>>> as far as we are concerned, the entire lake belongs to Malawi."
> >>>>He cited an agreement of 1890 between former colonial powers that
> >>>> stipulates the border between the two countries as lying along the
> >>>> Tanzanian shore of the lake.
> >>>>"Our terms are very clear on this, but we will continue to engage with
> >>>> Tanzania as a good neighbour," Kabambe was quoted by AFP News Agency as
> >>>> saying.
> >>>>Meanwhile,Sitta according to The Citizen of Tanzania, assured residents
> >>>> around Lake Malawi in the Eastern African country that they should
> >>>> carry
> >>>> on with their daily activities: " The government is stable and ready
> >>>> for
> >>>> any provocation."
> >>>>The development of the dispute dates back to the colonial era, but
> >>>> gained
> >>>> momentum in September last year. At that time the former Malawi
> >>>> President,
> >>>> the late Bingu wa Mutharika, awarded a British firm, Surestream
> >>>> Petroleum,
> >>>> a licence to prospect for oil and gas on the lake.
> >>>>Tanzania on Wednesday called for an amicable resolution to the dispute
> >>>> with
> >>>> Malawi over oil and gas exploration in the lake.
> >>>>The two nations will hold talks on the disputed border in the northern
> >>>> Malawian town of Mzuzu on August 20.
> >>>>--- On Sun, 8/12/12, Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>From: Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com>Subject: RE: [wanabidii] I
> >>>> shall
> >>>> die for Malawi - President BandaTo: "Wanabidii googlegroups"
> >>>> <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>Date: Sunday, August 12, 2012, 9:26 AM
> >>>>
> >>>>Odour,
> >>>>Altering the borderlines inside Lake Victoria will affect borders on the
> >>>> dry land and I don't anyone will be ready for that. Besides, Kenyans
> >>>> are
> >>>> not denied anything in the lake and that is why Kenya is competing with
> >>>> Tanzania and Uganda in exporting fish from the lake. The case of
> >>>> Malawi-Tanzania is different because Malawi claims that the whole lake
> >>>> belongs to them. Tanzania is not trying to get half of the lake or
> >>>> anything like equitable what and what, but half of the lake north of
> >>>> River
> >>>> Ruvuma (about 20% to 25% of the whole lake), which means Malawi will
> >>>> still
> >>>> keep the bigger portion of the lake. We will do our best to resolve the
> >>>> crisis, and should all means fail ,then we will take it by force, let
> >>>> Joyce Banda die for her dear country - if dying is that much easy.
> >>>>Matinyi.
> >>>>> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 06:45:24 -0400> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] I
> >>>>> shall
> >>>>> die for Malawi - President Banda> From: mauricejoduor@gmail.com> To:
> >>>>> wanabidii@googlegroups.com> > Leila,> I support the Tanzanian position
> >>>>> that the lake be shared right down> the middle according to
> >>>>> international
> >>>>> standards.> That is what every country is doing now. It would be
> >>>>> ridiculous if> Tanzanians living near the lake are denied fishing
> >>>>> rights
> >>>>> in Lake> Nyasa. Infact that would be pure lunacy.> > This issue
> >>>>> reminds
> >>>>> me that Kenya, Tanzania and Uganda should sit down> and divide Lake
> >>>>> victoria equitably. As things stand now, Kenya owns> only 6% of L
> >>>>> Victoria with TZ and Uganda sharing the remaining 94% !!!> that to me
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> rodiculous too.> > We should set aside all these artificial boundaries
> >>>>> set by the> colonialists. The AU should take a lead in helping settle
> >>>>> these> disputes.> > Courage,> Oduor Maurice> > On 8/12/12, Leila Abdul
> >>>>> <hifadhi@gmail.com> wrote:> > Malawi President
> >>> Joyce Banda on Saturday made an emotional declaration> > that she shall
> >>> die
> >>> for the sake of her country, in what others see as> > a defiant
> >>> insinuation
> >>> to the threats of war by Tanzania on the> > ownership of Lake Malawi.>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> Speaking at a Ngoni traditional festival in the northern district of> >
> >>> Mzimba on Saturday, Banda said emphatically in unrelated to the> >
> >>> function:
> >>> "I shall die for the people of Malawi. I shall die for the> > land of
> >>> Malawi."> >> > The Malawi leader has not commented on the row with
> >>> Tanzania.> >> > Tanzania has been warmongering on the standoff over oil
> >>> and
> >>> gas> > exploration in Lake Malawi - also known as Lake Nyasa in
> >>> Tanzania.>
> >>>>> > But Malawi has been diplomatic on the issue and are arranging
> >>>>> > showdown>
> >>>> talks on August 20.> >> > The dispute of the third-largest fresh water
> >>> resource in Africa has> > escalated because Tanzania is demanding Malawi
> >>> to
> >>> halt exploration> > activities granted to British company Surestream
> >>> Petroleum for oil and> > gas. Surestream is currently conducting an
> >>> environmental impact> > assessment.> >> > Meanwhile, a history and
> >>> political
> >>> science lecturer at the Malawi> > Polytechnic, Simburashe Mungoshi
> >>> suggests
> >>> the dispute can only be> > resolved by compromise.> >> > "When these
> >>> boundaries were agreed upon by the British and Germans it> > was a give
> >>> and
> >>> take game," said the lecturer on VOA.> >> > "The British had to give up
> >>> claims in some territories in Tanganyika> > area. Needless to say the
> >>> Germans had also to give up. So in which> > case, if Tanzania wants a
> >>> change
> >>> in boundaries it would be a give and> > take. If they want something
> >>> they
> >>> must give something. Malawi is a> > land locked country; we need access
> >>> to
> >>> the sea. May be they could give> > us an equivalent piece of land to
> >>> take
> >>> us
> >>> to the sea."> >> > Malawi insists the whole lake belongs to her and
> >>> there
> >>> is
> >>> no way the> > country can halt oil and gas exploration.> >> > A home to
> >>> about 1,000 endemic species of fish Lake Malawi is located> > at the
> >>> junction of Malawi, Mozambique and Tanzania. It sustains nearly> > 10
> >>> million people in these three countries.> >> >
> >>> http://www.nyasatimes.com/malawi/2012/08/11/i-shall-die-for-malawi-president-banda/>
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