Dear All, When I read these arguments I tend to doubt on the legality of his upstairs
especially a person like Dzonzi and a lawyer by profession. I can sense that is why Hon. Joy is making such decisions on taking instructions from people like cameron. A point in case is approving guys marriage in the midst of being a saved woman. Now they have instructed her to cross Tanzanian boarder, then she has been advised to be ready to die for Malawians. Unfortunately she has been surrounded by lawyers such as Dzonzi what should we expect. Malawians be careful. You must understand none of us were there when Germans and British were making such nasty agreements. Now the British are misleading you that that belongs to you So do you want Tanzanians to call back Germans to come and defend this?
--- On Tue, 8/14/12, Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [wanabidii] Tanzania advancing 'selfish agenda' on Lake Malawi
To: "Wanabidii googlegroups" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 14, 2012, 5:07 AM
Thanks Jesse, Joyce Banda has already said that she want to die for her country - so let us help her. I know Mgamba, being a Kurya, he will enlist himself in the army if needed. Joce Banda is a woman who gave orders for men to get married to other men - she wants Malawi men to be wives and I don't know what will women do ... and we are being bothered by her? Come on guys! This must be a big joke on earth. To start with, how can these married men fight anyway? Matinyi.
From: jesse.kwayu@guardian.co.tz To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [wanabidii] Tanzania advancing 'selfish agenda' on Lake Malawi Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:18:55 +0300 It is true that war does not necessarily bring discipline in some situations, BUT at least you can do away with monsters like IDD AMIN, HITLER, MUSSOLIN and the like. Mgamba don't you know that to deal with madman or woman is to give the right dose accordingly. Joyce Banda want to impress Malawian that she is the Iron Lady. She must very fast reminded that such ambitious dream has to be exercised with Malawi bourders any attempt to export her madness to Tanzania will face the due consequences, that is KIPIGO. After all war is part of human life if you are to safeguard your dignity and respect. We shall never sit back and let Malawian claim lake Nyasa is the property of Malawi. Tanzania siyo nchi ya mabwega kiasi hicho! Matinyi I salute you, Joyce must understand this language. Mgamba US and Israel are in war always, not because they are ignorant rather to safeguard their interests. Here lake Nyasa is our interest. From: wanabidii@googlegroups.com [mailto:wanabidii@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of RICHARD MGAMBA
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:06 AM
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [wanabidii] Tanzania advancing 'selfish agenda' on Lake Malawi | Matinyi, You may have a good point but your conclusion is very outdated. You talk about invasion of another country, and restore or impose a sensible leadership? On whose interests anyway and who pays the bill for the so called invasion? How sure are you that after the invasion you will have a sensible leadership in Malawi that will listen to you? You did it in Uganda, but still the leadership that you imposed failed, and it has to take another eight years of brutal gorilla war launched by Yoweri Kaguta Museveni to bring Uganda in peace. All the men you chose to lead Uganda turned out to be hopeless. But again in this 21st century, it's really appalling for an intellectual like you to advocate invasion of a foreign country as well as imposing the leadership of your choice. These were the brutal ideas of George Bush, Condoleeza Rice, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld—but they failed in Iraq as well as Afghanistan. --- On Mon, 8/13/12, Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [wanabidii] Tanzania advancing 'selfish agenda' on Lake Malawi
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, August 13, 2012, 6:04 AM
Mr. Banda,
Send this message to the newspaper and the reporter:
1. Tanzania got angry at this particular time for one reason: After Mutharika signed a deal last year with a British firm, nothing was done at that disputed area for one reson or the other. In December 2011 our governments agreed that Malawi should not conduct any business in that disputed area until the matter is resolved. But suddenly in July 2012 Malawi misbehaved. That is when Tanzania said - DON'T DO IT. If the whole nation of Malawi is so ignorant of this fact, even at this time, then we are dealing with a bunch of fools who deserve to be beaten.
2. It is not true that this conflict has been dormant for 50 years. Nyerere did his part but unfortunately he was a dealing with a madman Kamuzu Banda; then Mwinyi restored diplomatic ties; Mkapa made good progress with Muluzi; then Mutharika sign a deal with the British firm but very carefully, and now Joyce Banda is putting her country in trouble - please, keep that contract but don't touch our waters.
3. Other opinions that this conflict can be resolved diplomatically are not realistic because Malawi won't listen. ICJ does not enforce its decision; it only give a legal opinion, and leave everything to the partis to sort out. AU and SADC are merely diplomatic channels and no one can assure us that Malawi will respect them.
Conclusion:
Let us wait for every diplomatic and legal channel to take place, and then invade Malawi (because Lilongwe won't listen), kick out every stupid guy and restore a new sensible government. We did it in Uganda, why not in Malawi? After all Joyce Banda has already said that she is ready to die for her country - so let us help her.
Matinyi.
> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 06:26:23 -0700
> Subject: [wanabidii] Tanzania advancing 'selfish agenda' on Lake Malawi
> From: chasbanda@gmail.com
> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>
> As the hype on Lake Malawi boundary dispute rage on, some local
> activists have criticized neighbouring Tanzania saying it pursuing a
> selfish agenda, arguing that it has no legal claim over the territory
> of the third-largest fresh water resource in Africa.
>
> Tanzania and Malawi have recently engaged in cold war over ownership
> of Lake Malawi – also known as Lake Nyasa in Tanzania – following
> Malawi granting British company Surestream Petroleum rights to explore
> the lake for oil and gas. Surestream is currently conducting an
> environmental impact assessment.
>
> The Easter African country has since threatened to go to war with
> Malawi if Lilongwe does not halt all exploration activities until the
> question of ownership is resolved.
>
> No moral or legal basis
>
> However, Malawian human rights lawyer and activist Justin Dzonzi has
> labelled Tanzania's claims as both legally and morally unacceptable.
>
> Dzonzi, the Executive Director of Justice Link Blantyre-based think
> tank, told Nyasa Times in an interview that it is too late for
> Tanzania to claim ownership of part of the lake.
>
> "We're talking of close to 50 years ago when these two countries
> became independent, there were agreements and treaties that were
> signed then as such it is pointless for them to come now and say part
> of the lake belongs to them; it is total madness, nonsense and
> bullshit," said Dzonzi.
>
> "I think Tanzania is being driven by greed because if at all they had
> interest in the lake they would have raised this issue way back why
> now? Is it because of the oil? I think it is time our president showed
> strong leadership by not bowing to such stupidity demonstrated by
> Tanzania," the lawyer added.
>
> He further described the move by Tanzania to renegotiate partition of
> the territorial waters as ill-timed and day light obsession of
> imperialism.
>
> Dzonzi added that there is no legal option which Tanzania can use to
> reinforce the change.
>
> "Legally there is no case because of the partitioning that took place
> long time ago and this was sealed the moment we accepted independence
> from Great Britain so too is Tanzania. The only way to repartition the
> boundaries is either through mutual consent from both sides or an act
> of war where the other country invade the other but this is illegal by
> international standards," added Dzonzi.
>
> International Court of Justice referral
>
> Commenting on the same issue, University of Malawi law lecturer Dr
> Mwiza Nkhata suggested that the only way to resolve the issue is to
> refer it to the International Court of Justice (ICJ).
>
> "Those familiar with history would agree with me that this is not a
> new case…..The best way to resolve the issue is by referring it to ICJ
> they will interpret the treaties that are there and this would put to
> rest all the differences that are existing," said Nkhata.
>
> But on his part, Dzonzi observed that while the international court
> has legal instrument to resolve the issue, still it lacks jurisdiction
> to declare part of the waters as part of Tanzania.
>
> "Currently, Malawi is legally covered by the 1890 Heligoland agreement
> between Britain and Germany as such if the case goes to ICJ the judges
> would make decision basing on the treaty; that is the farthest they
> can go because the court is there to interpret the laws not
> otherwise," Dzonzi argued.
>
> No need for war
>
> Meanwhile, a Tanzanian university lecturer has warned his country that
> going to war with Malawi will be a big shame for the two countries
> which he said have enjoyed close ties since post colonial era.
>
> Professor Mwesiga Baregu is quoted by Tanzania's Daily News that the
> two countries should resolve the dispute through diplomacy.
>
> "This is not a new dispute between Tanzania and Malawi, I can recall
> in the 1960s we almost went to war. I suggest that our leaders should
> avoid provocations," advised the St. Augustine University of Tanzania
> (SAUT) lecturer adding that the matter had been ignored for long.
>
> He added further that it was high time the lasting solution was sought
> to avoid soiling bilateral ties.
>
> "Let our politicians play a mature and diplomatic approach in this
> issue. There are three ways to do this, it can be through the
> International Court of Justice, the African Union or the Southern
> African Development Community," he argued.
>
> The border row has left many Malawians puzzled as to what has prompted
> Tanzania to come out in the open now yet it has remained silent
> throughout when the Malawi government under the leadership of late
> president Bingu wa Mutharika made its intentions of exploration clear.
>
> Malawi's Minister of Home Affairs and Internal Security Uladi Mussa
> has meanwhile said Malawians have nothing to fear as discussions are
> underway to resolve the issue but insists that " Lake Malawi belongs
> to Malawi government" and there is no way the country can halt oil and
> gas exploration.
>
> Source : http://www.nyasatimes.com/malawi/2012/08/12/tanzania-advancing-selfish-agenda-on-lake-malawi-activists-say/
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