Thanks Dada Leila but this guy didn't get his facts right.
1. When Nyerere was referring to another crazy thing that Kamuzu Banda had told him in 1960 - that there was no such thing as Mozambique. In fact Nyerere was the architect of the OAU resolution that insisted - let us stay as we are.....BUT Lake Nyasa had a diffeent story altogether.
2. In 1963 we didn't have a coup but a mutiny and the fact the British helpd Nyerere to take care of the problem has nothing to do with what Nyerere had said earlier.
3. We fought the war in Uganda firstly to defend our borders but secondly, to get rid of the murderer and to help the people of Uganda t start afresh.
4. Nyerere was not silent on Lake Nyasa's issue but said that Banda was not sane, and that we would for a sane leader to emergeto address that problem. Nyerere also placed an air defense battalion in Mbeya.
5. In reality, Lesotho is not the results of Berlin Conference.
6. Cabinda is separated by a real piece of land, not just River Congo.
7. Tanzania does not respect the Nile Treay and we have already changed that stupid thing - when Mkapa was in power.
8. Mount Kilimanjaro has no dispute - regardless of any story.
If one Malawian can get all these facts wrong, an still write them, then how about the whole nation?
Stupid!
I will post it there also.
Matinyi.
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 18:36:54 +0300
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lake Malawi/Nyasa row: Time to show strong leadership
From: hifadhi@gmail.com
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
As soon as Tanganyika became independent Nyerere declared that he would not respect the treaties that the colonialists signed without the consent of the natives, he was referrring to the border between then Nyasaland and Tanganyika. Unfortunately in 1963 there was a military coup in Tanganyika that was put out by the British navy, one of the colonial signatories that Nyerere said would not respect! When Nyerere was making those claims Nyasaland was not yet independent and the border issue resurfaced in the late 60s after Malawi's independence. In 1971 Amin took over power in Uganda, and one of the reasons that Uganda and Tanzania went to war was that Amin claimed part of Tanzania to be part of Uganda. Since then Nyirere was quiet on the border issue with Malawi I think based on the wisdom of respecting territerial integrity as left behind by the colonial powers!
Honestly the Berlin Treaty (conference) in 1884 and other subsquent colonial treaties injured a lot of present day African states, not only Tanzania, Malawi too (Nyasaland) is a big victim! Think of Lesotho, an Island in South Africa, the Caprivi strip wedged between Angola and Botswana yet belonging to Namibia, the Cabinda enclave separated by the Congo river yet belonging to Angola.
One commentator probably from Tanzania said why should Malawi control Lake Nyasa as Egypt is controlling the waters of River Nile because of the colonial treaties, another silly logic! You respect the Nile treaty (Egypt) but not the German and British one just because you think Egypt is more influential than Malawi? Tanzania had better keep quiet otherwise their claims will open a pandora box: according to one of the colonialists treaties Mount Kilimanjaro was supposed to belong to Kenya but they had to change the boundary at the Whim of Queen Victoria who wanted to give one mountain to her son who was king of Germany because she had two already!
http://www.nyasatimes.com/malawi/2012/08/03/malawi-says-lake-row-with-tanzania-to-be-resolved-amicably/?cp=all#comments
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1. When Nyerere was referring to another crazy thing that Kamuzu Banda had told him in 1960 - that there was no such thing as Mozambique. In fact Nyerere was the architect of the OAU resolution that insisted - let us stay as we are.....BUT Lake Nyasa had a diffeent story altogether.
2. In 1963 we didn't have a coup but a mutiny and the fact the British helpd Nyerere to take care of the problem has nothing to do with what Nyerere had said earlier.
3. We fought the war in Uganda firstly to defend our borders but secondly, to get rid of the murderer and to help the people of Uganda t start afresh.
4. Nyerere was not silent on Lake Nyasa's issue but said that Banda was not sane, and that we would for a sane leader to emergeto address that problem. Nyerere also placed an air defense battalion in Mbeya.
5. In reality, Lesotho is not the results of Berlin Conference.
6. Cabinda is separated by a real piece of land, not just River Congo.
7. Tanzania does not respect the Nile Treay and we have already changed that stupid thing - when Mkapa was in power.
8. Mount Kilimanjaro has no dispute - regardless of any story.
If one Malawian can get all these facts wrong, an still write them, then how about the whole nation?
Stupid!
I will post it there also.
Matinyi.
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 18:36:54 +0300
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lake Malawi/Nyasa row: Time to show strong leadership
From: hifadhi@gmail.com
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
As soon as Tanganyika became independent Nyerere declared that he would not respect the treaties that the colonialists signed without the consent of the natives, he was referrring to the border between then Nyasaland and Tanganyika. Unfortunately in 1963 there was a military coup in Tanganyika that was put out by the British navy, one of the colonial signatories that Nyerere said would not respect! When Nyerere was making those claims Nyasaland was not yet independent and the border issue resurfaced in the late 60s after Malawi's independence. In 1971 Amin took over power in Uganda, and one of the reasons that Uganda and Tanzania went to war was that Amin claimed part of Tanzania to be part of Uganda. Since then Nyirere was quiet on the border issue with Malawi I think based on the wisdom of respecting territerial integrity as left behind by the colonial powers!
Honestly the Berlin Treaty (conference) in 1884 and other subsquent colonial treaties injured a lot of present day African states, not only Tanzania, Malawi too (Nyasaland) is a big victim! Think of Lesotho, an Island in South Africa, the Caprivi strip wedged between Angola and Botswana yet belonging to Namibia, the Cabinda enclave separated by the Congo river yet belonging to Angola.
One commentator probably from Tanzania said why should Malawi control Lake Nyasa as Egypt is controlling the waters of River Nile because of the colonial treaties, another silly logic! You respect the Nile treaty (Egypt) but not the German and British one just because you think Egypt is more influential than Malawi? Tanzania had better keep quiet otherwise their claims will open a pandora box: according to one of the colonialists treaties Mount Kilimanjaro was supposed to belong to Kenya but they had to change the boundary at the Whim of Queen Victoria who wanted to give one mountain to her son who was king of Germany because she had two already!
http://www.nyasatimes.com/malawi/2012/08/03/malawi-says-lake-row-with-tanzania-to-be-resolved-amicably/?cp=all#comments
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Lushengo Lutinwa <lutinwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Purely idiot depicting his stupidity
Sent from My Samsung Tab 10.1
On Aug 6, 2012 7:45 PM, "daniel stephen" <danielstephen688@gmail.com> wrote:
Your sick, and disrespectful to women. There is nothing your complaining than praising for Presidents and ignore the current President.
Go to hell, and with such poor thinking you can't ruling even a family.
On 6 August 2012 16:58, Abdalah Hamis <hamisznz@gmail.com> wrote:
By Cedrick Ngalande
At around the time of independence quite a few people in Tanzania
wanted to claim a huge part of Lake Malawi or Lake Nyasa . Cool heads
eventually prevailed, as most Tanzanians, including the legendary
President Julius Nyerere, understood the importance of respecting
boundaries emanating from colonial times.
During most of Dr Kamuzu Banda's rule, Tanzania never really pushed
this crazy idea of dividing up the lake. The issue was almost
forgotten during the rule of Dr Bakili Muluzi and thereafter. In fact,
Dr Bingu wa Mutharika commissioned a company to start exploring oil in
the lake. Tanzania said nothing at that time.
Now we have a new president and all of sudden the Tanzanians are
demanding that our government stop all exploration activities in the
lake until all border issues have been clarified. Why now?
Folks, there is a reason why we have tradition. Tradition may appear
useless and outdated but it is important because it usually become
established after a long experience. In politics there is what is
known as 'presidential protocol'. These are small things which over
the years have proven to be niceties a president must or must not do
in order to represent his/her country correctly.
You would think some of them are not important but they are. Here are
a few of them – presidents never bow for other presidents in public;
presidents never escort anybody to their car; presidents walk with
their arms spread outwards apparently projecting power and being in
control; presidents usually put on a solid color (one color) necktie
because it portrays power; when two presidents greet each other while
facing the camera, each of them jostle to be on the right side so that
his palm will face the camera- another sign of power, apparently; when
in company of other presidents, they try to be the last one to enter
the door – a fatherly gesture; there is an interesting video clip of
Chairman Yassier Arafat and PM Ehud Barak jostling to be the last one
to enter a room at Camp David. The sight of President George W Bush
gently pushing PM Gordon Brown into Number 10 Downing Street before
himself angered some British political experts.
Statesmanship is a game because image is everything in international
politics. A country's image depends a lot on the demeanor of its
leader. President Barak Obama likes to pat other leaders on their back
after greeting them; you thought that was an unplanned coincidence?
Just remember, how your father used to pat you on the back when you
were a good boy!
It is said that Bill Clinton failed to get a good deal at his summit
with Boris Yelsin in Moscow because President Clinton having sprained
his ankle arrived in Moscow on a wheelchair. The sight of a sick
American president is said to have psychologically emboldened Boris
Yelsin. Ghana is said to have regained its respect in West Africa when
President J.J. Rawlings arrived at the 25th Organization of African
Unity meeting in Togo in July 2000 in a military uniform portraying a
very youthful image.
The presidency is acted on a world stage. What a president says and
does is very important!
When Joyce Banda took over the presidency, she made it appear like
Malawi will now be doing everything the donor community tells her to
do. In fact some British newspapers were so pleasantly surprised with
this that they called us 'a donor fearing nation'.
President Joyce Banda went to London and even bowed before Queen
Elizabeth, a very strange gesture considering that both are heads-of-
state. Well, all these words and actions have now collectively given
an image of a weak leadership in Malawi. The world has sensed blood.
Now Tanzania has decided it is time to split up the lake. Notice that
they did not bring up this crazy idea when Muluzi or Mutharika were in
charge.
If we dignify Tanzania's unreasonable request, one wonders what the
next thing will be. Are they now going to claim Chitipa? Will
Mozambique now claim Mulanje Mountain?
Government must make clear that no part of Malawi is up for discussion
– full stop! It is time to show strength. Tell Tanzania that Lake
Malawi was, is and will always be Malawian.
Surprisingly, after all these arrogant statements by the Tanzania
government, our government's response is at best a whimper. The
minister of foreign affairs has issued a statement saying the issue
will be settled 'amicably'. Really, Mr. Minister? What could be an
amicable statement? Are you planning to even dignify Tanzania's
unreasonable demand? Do you plan to divide up the lake? How can you
have an amicable settlement to an unreasonable demand?
http://www.nyasatimes.com/malawi/2012/08/06/lake-malawinyasa-row-time-to-show-strong-leadership/
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