Re: [wanabidii] Is Rape A Good Excuse For Abortion?

Rehema,

Hivi nikuelewe kwamba you don't support abortion? You are anti-choice?

Please hebu tuelezee sababu zako. No one ever uses abortion as birth
control. I think walio wengi wanaofanya abortion do it because of
rape, illness or some traumatic experience.

Courage



On 8/24/12, Rehema Kikwete <rehemaki@gmail.com> wrote:
> On what principle do you base this 'moral right' declaration?
>
>
>
> Do you also think that same woman has the 'moral right' to kill an
> inconvenient one month-old baby, since it is her baby and no one else's?
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Maurice Oduor
> <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Pauline,
>>
>> I agree with you completely, and without any reservation. A woman has
>> the right to have or not have an abortion no matter how the pregnancy
>> came along.
>>
>> Courage
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/23/12, Pauline Mengi <paulinemengi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Abortion is the moral right of a woman, rape or no rape
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Evans MACHERA
>> > <evansmachera@yahoo.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> *We need to understand;-
>> >>
>> >> 1.What rape is and what a woman undergoes during and after the beastly
>> >> act.
>> >> 2.What is abortion and who is suited to make the decision of a
>> >> abortion
>> >> or
>> >> not - in either position,should the woman be forced!
>> >> 3.Women are likely not to speak,but watch with horror the view the men
>> >> folk will spit out!
>> >> 4.Can incest be classified under rape!
>> >> 5.Can abortion be a form of treatment!
>> >>
>> >> Here below is a statement/guideline by the S.D.A Church in a situation
>> >> that calls on the abortion subject.
>> >> Guidelines on Abortion
>> >> Many contemporary societies have faced conflict over the morality of
>> >> abortion.* Such conflict also has affected large numbers within
>> >> Christianity who want to accept responsibility for the protection of
>> >> prenatal human life while also preserving the personal liberty of
>> >> women.
>> >> The need for guidelines has become evident, as the Church attempts to
>> >> follow scripture, and to provide moral guidance while respecting
>> >> individual
>> >> conscience. Seventh-day Adventists want to relate to the question of
>> >> abortion in ways that reveal faith in God as the Creator and Sustainer
>> of
>> >> all life and in ways that reflect Christian responsibility and
>> >> freedom.
>> >> Though honest differences on the question of abortion exist among
>> >> Seventh-day Adventists, the following represents an attempt to provide
>> >> guidelines on a number of principles and issues. The guidelines are
>> based
>> >> on broad biblical principles that are presented for study at the end
>> >> of
>> >> the
>> >> document.**
>> >> 1) Prenatal human life is a magnificent gift of God. God's ideal for
>> >> human
>> >> beings affirms the sanctity of human life, in God's image, and
>> >> requires
>> >> respect for prenatal life. However, decisions about life must be made
>> >> in
>> >> the context of a fallen world. Abortion is never an action of little
>> >> moral
>> >> consequence. Thus prenatal life must not be thoughtlessly destroyed.
>> >> Abortion should be performed only for the most serious reasons.
>> >> 2) Abortion is one of the tragic dilemmas of human fallenness. The
>> Church
>> >> should offer gracious support to those who personally face the
>> >> decision
>> >> concerning an abortion. Attitudes of condemnation are inappropriate in
>> >> those who have accepted the gospel. Christians are commissioned to
>> become
>> >> a
>> >> loving, caring community of faith that assists those in crisis as
>> >> alternatives are considered.
>> >> 3) In practical, tangible ways the Church as a supportive community
>> >> should
>> >> express its commitment to the value of human life. These ways should
>> >> include:
>> >>
>> >> a. strengthening family relationships
>> >> b. educating both genders concerning Christian principles of human
>> >> sexuality
>> >> c. emphasizing responsibility of both male and female for family
>> planning
>> >> d. calling both to be responsible for the consequences of behaviors
>> >> that
>> >> are inconsistent with Christian principles
>> >> e. creating a safe climate for ongoing discussion of the moral
>> >> questions
>> >> associated with abortion
>> >> f. offering support and assistance to women who choose to complete
>> crisis
>> >> pregnancies
>> >> g. encouraging and assisting fathers to participate responsibly in the
>> >> parenting of their children.
>> >>
>> >> The Church also should commit itself to assist in alleviating the
>> >> unfortunate social, economic, and psychological factors that add to
>> >> abortion and to care redemptively for those suffering the consequences
>> of
>> >> individual decisions on this issue.
>> >> 4) The Church does not serve as conscience for individuals; however,
>> >> it
>> >> should provide moral guidance. Abortions for reasons of birth control,
>> >> gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church.
>> >> Women,
>> >> at
>> >> times however, may face exceptional circumstances that present serious
>> >> moral or medical dilemmas, such as significant threats to the pregnant
>> >> woman's life, serious jeopardy to her health, severe congenital
>> >> defects
>> >> carefully diagnosed in the fetus, and pregnancy resulting from rape or
>> >> incest. The final decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not
>> >> should
>> >> be made by the pregnant woman after appropriate consultation. She
>> >> should
>> >> be
>> >> aided in her decision by accurate information, biblical principles,
>> >> and
>> >> the
>> >> guidance of the Holy Spirit. Moreover, these decisions are best made
>> >> within
>> >> the context of healthy family relationships.
>> >> 5) Christians acknowledge as first and foremost their accountability
>> >> to
>> >> God. They seek balance between the exercise of individual liberty and
>> >> their
>> >> accountability to the faith community and the larger society and its
>> >> laws.
>> >> They make their choices according to scripture and the laws of God
>> rather
>> >> than the norms of society. Therefore, any attempts to coerce women
>> either
>> >> to remain pregnant or to terminate pregnancy should be rejected as
>> >> infringements of personal freedom.
>> >> 6) Church institutions should be provided with guidelines for
>> >> developing
>> >> their own institutional policies in harmony with this statement.
>> >> Persons
>> >> having a religious or ethical objection to abortion should not be
>> >> required
>> >> to participate in the performance of abortions.
>> >> 7) Church members should be encouraged to participate in the ongoing
>> >> consideration of their moral responsibilities with regard to abortion
>> >> in
>> >> light of the teaching of scripture.
>> >>
>> >> *Principles for a Christian View of Life*
>> >> *Introduction*
>> >> "Now this is eternal life; that they may know you, the only true God,
>> and
>> >> Jesus Christ whom you have sent" (John 17:3, *NIV*). In Christ is the
>> >> promise of eternal life; but since human life is mortal, humans are
>> >> confronted with difficult issues regarding life and death. The
>> >> following
>> >> principles refer to the whole person (body, soul, and spirit), an
>> >> indivisible whole (Genesis 2:7; 1 Thessalonians 5:23).
>> >> *
>> >> Life: Our valuable gift from God*
>> >> 1) God is the Source, Giver, and Sustainer of all life (Acts 17:25,28;
>> >> Job
>> >> 33:4; Genesis 1:30, 2:7; Psalm 36:9; John 1:3,4).
>> >> 2) Human life has unique value because human beings, though fallen,
>> >> are
>> >> created in the image of God (Genesis 1:27; Romans 3:23; 1 John 2:2; 1
>> >> John
>> >> 3:2; John 1:29; 1 Peter 1:18,19).
>> >> 3) God values human life not on the basis of human accomplishments or
>> >> contributions but because we are God's creation and the object of His
>> >> redeeming love (Romans 5:6,8; Ephesians 2:2-6; 1 Timothy 1:15; Titus
>> >> 3:4,5;
>> >> Matthew 5:43-48; Ephesians 2:4-9; John 1:3, 10:10).
>> >> *
>> >> Life: Our response to God's gift*
>> >> 4) Valuable as it is, human life is not the only or ultimate concern.
>> >> Self-sacrifice in devotion to God and His principles may take
>> >> precedence
>> >> over life itself (Revelation 12:11; 1 Corinthians 13).
>> >> 5) God calls for the protection of human life and holds humanity
>> >> accountable for its destruction (Exodus 20:13; Revelation 21:8; Exodus
>> >> 23:7; Deuteronomy 24:16; Proverbs 6:16,17; Jeremiah 7:3-34; Micah 6:7;
>> >> Genesis 9:5,6).
>> >> 6) God is especially concerned for the protection of the weak, the
>> >> defenseless, and the oppressed (Psalm 82:3,4; James 1:27; Micah 6:8;
>> Acts
>> >> 20:35; Proverbs 24:11,12; Luke 1:52-54).
>> >> 7) Christian love (agape) is the costly dedication of our lives to
>> >> enhancing the lives of others. Love also respects personal dignity and
>> >> does
>> >> not condone the oppression of one person to support the abusive
>> >> behavior
>> >> of
>> >> another (Matthew 16:21; Philippians 2:1-11; 1 John 3:16; 1 John
>> >> 4:8-11;
>> >> Matthew 22:39; John 18:22,23; John 13:34).
>> >> 8) The believing community is called to demonstrate Christian love in
>> >> tangible, practical, and substantive ways. God calls us to restore
>> gently
>> >> the broken (Galatians 6:1,2; 1 John 3:17,18; Matthew 1:23; Philippians
>> >> 2:1-11; John 8:2-11; Romans 8:1-14; Matthew 7:1,2, 12:20; Isaiah
>> >> 40:42,
>> >> 62:2-4).
>> >>
>> >> *Life: Our right and responsibility to decide*
>> >> 9) God gives humanity the freedom of choice, even if it leads to
>> >> abuse
>> >> and tragic consequences. His unwillingness to coerce human obedience
>> >> necessitated the sacrifice of His Son. He requires us to use His gifts
>> in
>> >> accordance with His will and ultimately will judge their misuse
>> >> (Deuteronomy 30:19,20; Genesis 3; 1 Peter 2:24; Romans 3:5,6, 6:1,2;
>> >> Galatians 5:13).
>> >> 10) God calls each of us individually to moral decision making and to
>> >> search the scriptures for the biblical principles underlying such
>> choices
>> >> (John 5:39; Acts 17:11; 1 Peter 2:9; Romans 7:13-25).
>> >> 11) Decisions about human life from its beginning to its end are best
>> >> made
>> >> within the context of healthy family relationships with the support of
>> >> the
>> >> faith community (Exodus 20:12; Ephesians 5,6).
>> >> 12) Human decisions should always be centered in seeking the will of
>> >> God
>> >> (Romans 12:2; Ephesians 6:6; Luke 22:42).
>> >> *Abortion, as understood in these guidelines, is defined as any action
>> >> aimed at the termination of a pregnancy already established. This is
>> >> distinguished from contraception, which is intended to prevent a
>> >> pregnancy.
>> >> The focus of the document is on abortion.
>> >> **The fundamental perspective of these guidelines is taken from a
>> >> broad
>> >> study of scripture as shown in the "Principles for a Christian View of
>> >> Human Life" included at the end of this document.
>> >> _______________
>> >> *These guidelines were approved and voted by the General Conference of
>> >> Seventh-day Adventists Executive Committee at the Annual Council
>> >> session
>> >> in
>> >> Silver Spring, Maryland, October 12, 1992.*
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >> *From:* Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>
>> >> *To:* wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >> *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:04 AM
>> >> *Subject:* Re: [wanabidii] Is Rape A Good Excuse For Abortion?
>> >>
>> >> Banda,
>> >>
>> >> I agree with you completely. The Morning-after Pill should be the
>> >> first resort in a case of rape. If that is not possible, bear it and
>> >> carry the pregnancy then give the baby up for adoption. You do not
>> >> want to bring the kid up and be reminded of the rape forever. That is
>> >> the kindest thing to do for that kid. People have been known to
>> >> mistreat kids they bore from rape.
>> >>
>> >> Courage,
>> >> Oduor Maurice
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 8/23/12, Charles Banda <chasbanda@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Should abortion be permissible in cases of rape? That's jumping the
>> >> > gun.
>> >> > Before we discuss the propriety of abortion in the specific
>> >> > instance
>> >> > of
>> >> > rape, let us first establish a moral baseline by discussing the
>> >> > propriety
>> >> > of abortion in general.
>> >> >
>> >> > I want to be very clear: In my own opinion, abortion is a
>> >> *TERRIBLE*thing.
>> >> > Now, I would not rush to make abortion illegal, since that only
>> >> > seems
>> >> > to
>> >> > make things worse, but the idea that unborn children can be
>> >> > flippantly
>> >> > murdered in cold blood is just simply NASTY. Nowadays, you can not
>> >> > get
>> >> away
>> >> > with murdering a useless cat; You can not get away with murdering a
>> >> > dog;
>> >> > you can not get away with murdering an innocent lizard, and in most
>> >> > jurisdictions, you can not even cut down a tree without running
>> >> > afoul
>> >> > of
>> >> > the law.
>> >> >
>> >> > So why then should anyone get away with murdering a defenseless
>> >> > unborn
>> >> > child? On what grounds, exactly, might that level of cruelty be
>> >> > excused?
>> >> By
>> >> > what moral reasoning might a dog rate higher than an unborn infant?
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyhow you look at it, abortion is a *TERRIBLY WICKED* thing to do,
>> >> which
>> >> > is why we should not be encouraging it as a society. While I would
>> >> > not
>> >> rush
>> >> > to criminalize abortion, I would work overtime to build a society
>> where
>> >> > unwanted pregnancies, and the need for abortion, are utterly
>> minimized.
>> >> >
>> >> > (a.) If you don't want a child, grab a condom.
>> >> >
>> >> > (b.) If you forget, or if you give in to indiscretion in a moment of
>> >> > heat
>> >> > and passion, use a morning-after pill to side-track pregnancy while
>> >> > it
>> >> > is
>> >> > still early.
>> >> > (c.) Finally, in the unlikely event that everything fails, take some
>> >> > *PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY* for your own recklessness and have the
>> baby.
>> >> If
>> >> > you don't want the child, you can always give him away for adoption,
>> >> > the
>> >> > same way that Steve Jobs, or Babe Ruth, or Malcomn X, or Marilyn
>> >> > Monroe,
>> >> or
>> >> > Mark Twain, were given out for adoption.
>> >> >
>> >> > Nobody should be cutting up the limbs of a 3-month old fetus. Its
>> nasty
>> >> and
>> >> > cruel and *REALLY BARBARIC*, and it is really selfish to presume
>> >> > that
>> a
>> >> > woman's "choice" to save face after a reckless sexual choices
>> >> > supersedes
>> >> > the baby's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
>> >> > If you are pro the life of a cat or a lizard, the least you can do
>> >> > is
>> >> > be
>> >> > pro the the life of an incubating human being.
>> >> >
>> >> > Moving on ...
>> >> >
>> >> > Should abortion be permissible in cases of rape then? I frankly have
>> no
>> >> > clear answer. Rape is a horrible crime, and carrying an offspring
>> >> > from
>> >> rape
>> >> > must be extremely nauseating. I can not even begin to imagine how
>> >> traumatic
>> >> > that would be.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Yet, I can not help but ask: as horrible as rape is, is
>> >> > slaughtering
>> >> > an
>> >> > innocent child any less horrible? I really don't know that it is. In
>> my
>> >> > book, people are people are people are people, whether they are tall
>> or
>> >> > short, rich or born, black or white, born or unborn. An innocent
>> >> > child
>> >> > conceived from even rape is in my opinion also entitled to life, to
>> >> > liberty, to kindness, to dignity, and to the pursuit of happiness.
>> >> >
>> >> > So should it be acceptable to abort babies conceived from rape? A
>> >> > YES
>> >> > answer is not completely satisfactory to moral sentiment.
>> >> > So if someone is raped, and they don't want a baby, I think they
>> >> > should
>> >> as
>> >> > a matter of urgency to take a Morning-after pill the very next day.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyway, those are my thoughts. Yours are welcome.
>> >> >
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