Sawa Denis
Naona sasa tunaelewana kwenye hili, tuendelee kujadiliana kwenye mambo mengine. Maana wengine tunaamini kuleta mabadiko tukiwa humo ndani nayatakuja tu, ni suala la muda.
Uwe na mapumziko mema!
LR
LKK and Lauren,
Tunazungumza kitu kimoja ila ninyi mnang'ang'ania kujiita wakatoliki huku mnapingana na ukatoliki.
Mimi pia nipo kama ninyi tofauti ni kuwa natambua kuwa kwa kutofautiana na mama kanisa ninapoteza ile haki ya kujiita mkatoliki.
Tumsifu yesu kristu!
On 25 Aug 2012 08:22, "Lutgard Kagaruki" <lutgardk@yahoo.com> wrote:----Well said Lauren, religion is very personal and very private! As for me, I also believe in God and hence, my prayer doesn't have to go through that priest that I don't have faith in! And in any case, religion is also part of history; one is Catholic because one was born in a Catholic family (well, in most cases), if the same person was to be born in a moslem family, he/she would have been moslem and, nobody would have blamed them!! For me, a good moslem, catholic, budha etc, will see the light of God if they all lead good lives, love their neighbours as they love themselves and, abide by the good principles of their religions. LKK
From: Laurean Rugambwa B. <rugambwa@hotmail.com>
To: denis Matanda <denis.matanda@gmail.com>; Wanabidii Group <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Is Rape A Good Excuse For Abortion?
Denis,
I don't believe in catholicism, I believe in God! So let's make this clear. Catholic church is a vehicle towards my belief to God. My allegiance is to God.
And just so you know, I know the church more than what you may imagine. I grew up there, I am a catholic, if you think that having a different views with church leaders make me non-catholic, I can't argue with you on that.
I didn't agree with them on issues of sex scandals, and I didn't leave the church just because some bishops and priests were involved in the acts and cover-up on those unspeakable acts.
Denis: issue of faith and belief is a personal matter, I wouldn't go as far as declaring someone non- catholic just because he has a different views on issues. But you have the freedom to do.
I believe in staying in the tent, fighting inside that tent rather than being outside. So I will remain a catholic even if I am ex-communicated.
I hope that helps.
LR
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by Airtel Tanzania.
-----Original Message-----
From: denis Matanda <denis.matanda@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 04:43:34
To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Is Rape A Good Excuse For Abortion?
Laurean
Your stand on the issues of condoms and abortion have not made u a bad catholic; they've made you a non catholic and that is not debatable!
U either believe in catholicism or u don't. Cherry picking is not on the menu!
On 24 Aug 2012 14:43, "Laurean Rugambwa" <rugambwa@hotmail.com <mailto:rugambwa@hotmail.com> > wrote:
Deo
We will argue and debate till tomorrow, as i said before this debate about when do life start has to do with one's belief,faith,religion and most importantly values. You know me better, but issues about human rights,defending rights of groups, i stand up by them, no wonder, am thinking of a woman gang raped, or raped by one person is forced to keep the fetus as you called it just because it is a sin to undergo abortion.
Mzee piga ua Hapo Mimi na Wewe tukubaliane kutokubalina!
I am a catholic but I don't agree with my church on their stand on issues such as condoms, abortion,but does that make me a bad catholic? It is debatable! It is depends with whom you talk to.
From LR
On 24 Ago 2012, at 11:33, "Deodatus Balile" <deobalile@yahoo.com <mailto:deobalile@yahoo.com> > wrote:
Even if Lauren,
The fetus is not a part of the sin, therefore deserves a chance not only to be heard before reaching that cantankerous decision, but also to be protected and remain free from any undeserved attack coz is incapable of defending itself.
Balile
Dar es Salaam, Tanzania
deobalile@yahoo.com <mailto:deobalile@yahoo.com>
0713404827/0784404827
UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL
--- On Fri, 8/24/12, Laurean Rugambwa <rugambwa@hotmail.com <mailto:rugambwa@hotmail.com> > wrote:
From: Laurean Rugambwa <rugambwa@hotmail.com <mailto:rugambwa@hotmail.com> >
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Is Rape A Good Excuse For Abortion?
To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com <mailto:wanabidii@googlegroups.com> " <wanabidii@googlegroups.com <mailto:wanabidii@googlegroups.com> >
Cc: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com <mailto:wanabidii@googlegroups.com> " <wanabidii@googlegroups.com <mailto:wanabidii@googlegroups.com> >
Date: Friday, August 24, 2012, 12:45 AM
Deo
When it is about rape, thats my reference point
From LRB
On 24 Ago 2012, at 10:38, deobalile@yahoo.com <http://us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=deobalile@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Lauren I'm afraid you did not consider the fetus belongs to whom, whether a woman can dare to have one without men's assistance.
>
> Balile
> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on the Tigo Tanzania Network
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:31:21
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> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Is Rape A Good Excuse For Abortion?
>
> Courage
> You wont get the answer you need as each person will have his or her responses according to values and/or morals they attach to it. You know very well that Issue of abortion is a complicated one, people use religion and faith to make their case! Having said that, i encourage the fact that we should debate it. Who knows what one might learn from this, especially men.
>
> Personally,I think that choice should be left to the woman, their body their choice! That should a answer the question: when does life start?
> Have a good day!
> From LRB
>
>
> On 24 Ago 2012, at 9:16, "Maurice Oduor" <mauricejoduor@gmail.com <http://us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mauricejoduor@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>> Rehema,
>>
>> Hivi nikuelewe kwamba you don't support abortion? You are anti-choice?
>>
>> Please hebu tuelezee sababu zako. No one ever uses abortion as birth
>> control. I think walio wengi wanaofanya abortion do it because of
>> rape, illness or some traumatic experience.
>>
>> Courage
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/24/12, Rehema Kikwete <rehemaki@gmail.com <http://us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rehemaki@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>> On what principle do you base this 'moral right' declaration?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you also think that same woman has the 'moral right' to kill an
>>> inconvenient one month-old baby, since it is her baby and no one else's?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Maurice Oduor
>>> <mauricejoduor@gmail.com <http://us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mauricejoduor@gmail.com> >wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pauline,
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you completely, and without any reservation. A woman has
>>>> the right to have or not have an abortion no matter how the pregnancy
>>>> came along.
>>>>
>>>> Courage
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/23/12, Pauline Mengi <paulinemengi@gmail.com <http://us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=paulinemengi@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>>> Abortion is the moral right of a woman, rape or no rape
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Evans MACHERA
>>>>> <evansmachera@yahoo.com <http://us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=evansmachera@yahoo.com> >wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *We need to understand;-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1.What rape is and what a woman undergoes during and after the beastly
>>>>>> act.
>>>>>> 2.What is abortion and who is suited to make the decision of a
>>>>>> abortion
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> not - in either position,should the woman be forced!
>>>>>> 3.Women are likely not to speak,but watch with horror the view the men
>>>>>> folk will spit out!
>>>>>> 4.Can incest be classified under rape!
>>>>>> 5.Can abortion be a form of treatment!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here below is a statement/guideline by the S.D.A Church in a situation
>>>>>> that calls on the abortion subject.
>>>>>> Guidelines on Abortion
>>>>>> Many contemporary societies have faced conflict over the morality of
>>>>>> abortion.* Such conflict also has affected large numbers within
>>>>>> Christianity who want to accept responsibility for the protection of
>>>>>> prenatal human life while also preserving the personal liberty of
>>>>>> women.
>>>>>> The need for guidelines has become evident, as the Church attempts to
>>>>>> follow scripture, and to provide moral guidance while respecting
>>>>>> individual
>>>>>> conscience. Seventh-day Adventists want to relate to the question of
>>>>>> abortion in ways that reveal faith in God as the Creator and Sustainer
>>>> of
>>>>>> all life and in ways that reflect Christian responsibility and
>>>>>> freedom.
>>>>>> Though honest differences on the question of abortion exist among
>>>>>> Seventh-day Adventists, the following represents an attempt to provide
>>>>>> guidelines on a number of principles and issues. The guidelines are
>>>> based
>>>>>> on broad biblical principles that are presented for study at the end
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> document.**
>>>>>> 1) Prenatal human life is a magnificent gift of God. God's ideal for
>>>>>> human
>>>>>> beings affirms the sanctity of human life, in God's image, and
>>>>>> requires
>>>>>> respect for prenatal life. However, decisions about life must be made
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the context of a fallen world. Abortion is never an action of little
>>>>>> moral
>>>>>> consequence. Thus prenatal life must not be thoughtlessly destroyed.
>>>>>> Abortion should be performed only for the most serious reasons.
>>>>>> 2) Abortion is one of the tragic dilemmas of human fallenness. The
>>>> Church
>>>>>> should offer gracious support to those who personally face the
>>>>>> decision
>>>>>> concerning an abortion. Attitudes of condemnation are inappropriate in
>>>>>> those who have accepted the gospel. Christians are commissioned to
>>>> become
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> loving, caring community of faith that assists those in crisis as
>>>>>> alternatives are considered.
>>>>>> 3) In practical, tangible ways the Church as a supportive community
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> express its commitment to the value of human life. These ways should
>>>>>> include:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a. strengthening family relationships
>>>>>> b. educating both genders concerning Christian principles of human
>>>>>> sexuality
>>>>>> c. emphasizing responsibility of both male and female for family
>>>> planning
>>>>>> d. calling both to be responsible for the consequences of behaviors
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> are inconsistent with Christian principles
>>>>>> e. creating a safe climate for ongoing discussion of the moral
>>>>>> questions
>>>>>> associated with abortion
>>>>>> f. offering support and assistance to women who choose to complete
>>>> crisis
>>>>>> pregnancies
>>>>>> g. encouraging and assisting fathers to participate responsibly in the
>>>>>> parenting of their children.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Church also should commit itself to assist in alleviating the
>>>>>> unfortunate social, economic, and psychological factors that add to
>>>>>> abortion and to care redemptively for those suffering the consequences
>>>> of
>>>>>> individual decisions on this issue.
>>>>>> 4) The Church does not serve as conscience for individuals; however,
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> should provide moral guidance. Abortions for reasons of birth control,
>>>>>> gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church.
>>>>>> Women,
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> times however, may face exceptional circumstances that present serious
>>>>>> moral or medical dilemmas, such as significant threats to the pregnant
>>>>>> woman's life, serious jeopardy to her health, severe congenital
>>>>>> defects
>>>>>> carefully diagnosed in the fetus, and pregnancy resulting from rape or
>>>>>> incest. The final decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> be made by the pregnant woman after appropriate consultation. She
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> aided in her decision by accurate information, biblical principles,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> guidance of the Holy Spirit. Moreover, these decisions are best made
>>>>>> within
>>>>>> the context of healthy family relationships.
>>>>>> 5) Christians acknowledge as first and foremost their accountability
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> God. They seek balance between the exercise of individual liberty and
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> accountability to the faith community and the larger society and its
>>>>>> laws.
>>>>>> They make their choices according to scripture and the laws of God
>>>> rather
>>>>>> than the norms of society. Therefore, any attempts to coerce women
>>>> either
>>>>>> to remain pregnant or to terminate pregnancy should be rejected as
>>>>>> infringements of personal freedom.
>>>>>> 6) Church institutions should be provided with guidelines for
>>>>>> developing
>>>>>> their own institutional policies in harmony with this statement.
>>>>>> Persons
>>>>>> having a religious or ethical objection to abortion should not be
>>>>>> required
>>>>>> to participate in the performance of abortions.
>>>>>> 7) Church members should be encouraged to participate in the ongoing
>>>>>> consideration of their moral responsibilities with regard to abortion
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> light of the teaching of scripture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Principles for a Christian View of Life*
>>>>>> *Introduction*
>>>>>> "Now this is eternal life; that they may know you, the only true God,
>>>> and
>>>>>> Jesus Christ whom you have sent" (John 17:3, *NIV*). In Christ is the
>>>>>> promise of eternal life; but since human life is mortal, humans are
>>>>>> confronted with difficult issues regarding life and death. The
>>>>>> following
>>>>>> principles refer to the whole person (body, soul, and spirit), an
>>>>>> indivisible whole (Genesis 2:7; 1 Thessalonians 5:23).
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> Life: Our valuable gift from God*
>>>>>> 1) God is the Source, Giver, and Sustainer of all life (Acts 17:25,28;
>>>>>> Job
>>>>>> 33:4; Genesis 1:30, 2:7; Psalm 36:9; John 1:3,4).
>>>>>> 2) Human life has unique value because human beings, though fallen,
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> created in the image of God (Genesis 1:27; Romans 3:23; 1 John 2:2; 1
>>>>>> John
>>>>>> 3:2; John 1:29; 1 Peter 1:18,19).
>>>>>> 3) God values human life not on the basis of human accomplishments or
>>>>>> contributions but because we are God's creation and the object of His
>>>>>> redeeming love (Romans 5:6,8; Ephesians 2:2-6; 1 Timothy 1:15; Titus
>>>>>> 3:4,5;
>>>>>> Matthew 5:43-48; Ephesians 2:4-9; John 1:3, 10:10).
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> Life: Our response to God's gift*
>>>>>> 4) Valuable as it is, human life is not the only or ultimate concern.
>>>>>> Self-sacrifice in devotion to God and His principles may take
>>>>>> precedence
>>>>>> over life itself (Revelation 12:11; 1 Corinthians 13).
>>>>>> 5) God calls for the protection of human life and holds humanity
>>>>>> accountable for its destruction (Exodus 20:13; Revelation 21:8; Exodus
>>>>>> 23:7; Deuteronomy 24:16; Proverbs 6:16,17; Jeremiah 7:3-34; Micah 6:7;
>>>>>> Genesis 9:5,6).
>>>>>> 6) God is especially concerned for the protection of the weak, the
>>>>>> defenseless, and the oppressed (Psalm 82:3,4; James 1:27; Micah 6:8;
>>>> Acts
>>>>>> 20:35; Proverbs 24:11,12; Luke 1:52-54).
>>>>>> 7) Christian love (agape) is the costly dedication of our lives to
>>>>>> enhancing the lives of others. Love also respects personal dignity and
>>>>>> does
>>>>>> not condone the oppression of one person to support the abusive
>>>>>> behavior
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> another (Matthew 16:21; Philippians 2:1-11; 1 John 3:16; 1 John
>>>>>> 4:8-11;
>>>>>> Matthew 22:39; John 18:22,23; John 13:34).
>>>>>> 8) The believing community is called to demonstrate Christian love in
>>>>>> tangible, practical, and substantive ways. God calls us to restore
>>>> gently
>>>>>> the broken (Galatians 6:1,2; 1 John 3:17,18; Matthew 1:23; Philippians
>>>>>> 2:1-11; John 8:2-11; Romans 8:1-14; Matthew 7:1,2, 12:20; Isaiah
>>>>>> 40:42,
>>>>>> 62:2-4).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Life: Our right and responsibility to decide*
>>>>>> 9) God gives humanity the freedom of choice, even if it leads to
>>>>>> abuse
>>>>>> and tragic consequences. His unwillingness to coerce human obedience
>>>>>> necessitated the sacrifice of His Son. He requires us to use His gifts
>>>> in
>>>>>> accordance with His will and ultimately will judge their misuse
>>>>>> (Deuteronomy 30:19,20; Genesis 3; 1 Peter 2:24; Romans 3:5,6, 6:1,2;
>>>>>> Galatians 5:13).
>>>>>> 10) God calls each of us individually to moral decision making and to
>>>>>> search the scriptures for the biblical principles underlying such
>>>> choices
>>>>>> (John 5:39; Acts 17:11; 1 Peter 2:9; Romans 7:13-25).
>>>>>> 11) Decisions about human life from its beginning to its end are best
>>>>>> made
>>>>>> within the context of healthy family relationships with the support of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> faith community (Exodus 20:12; Ephesians 5,6).
>>>>>> 12) Human decisions should always be centered in seeking the will of
>>>>>> God
>>>>>> (Romans 12:2; Ephesians 6:6; Luke 22:42).
>>>>>> *Abortion, as understood in these guidelines, is defined as any action
>>>>>> aimed at the termination of a pregnancy already established. This is
>>>>>> distinguished from contraception, which is intended to prevent a
>>>>>> pregnancy.
>>>>>> The focus of the document is on abortion.
>>>>>> **The fundamental perspective of these guidelines is taken from a
>>>>>> broad
>>>>>> study of scripture as shown in the "Principles for a Christian View of
>>>>>> Human Life" included at the end of this document.
>>>>>> _______________
>>>>>> *These guidelines were approved and voted by the General Conference of
>>>>>> Seventh-day Adventists Executive Committee at the Annual Council
>>>>>> session
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Silver Spring, Maryland, October 12, 1992.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> *From:* Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com <http://us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mauricejoduor@gmail.com> >
>>>>>> *To:* wanabidii@googlegroups.com <http://us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:04 AM
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [wanabidii] Is Rape A Good Excuse For Abortion?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Banda,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with you completely. The Morning-after Pill should be the
>>>>>> first resort in a case of rape. If that is not possible, bear it and
>>>>>> carry the pregnancy then give the baby up for adoption. You do not
>>>>>> want to bring the kid up and be reminded of the rape forever. That is
>>>>>> the kindest thing to do for that kid. People have been known to
>>>>>> mistreat kids they bore from rape.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Courage,
>>>>>> Oduor Maurice
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/23/12, Charles Banda <chasbanda@gmail.com <http://us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chasbanda@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>>>>> Should abortion be permissible in cases of rape? That's jumping the
>>>>>>> gun.
>>>>>>> Before we discuss the propriety of abortion in the specific
>>>>>>> instance
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> rape, let us first establish a moral baseline by discussing the
>>>>>>> propriety
>>>>>>> of abortion in general.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want to be very clear: In my own opinion, abortion is a
>>>>>> *TERRIBLE*thing.
>>>>>>> Now, I would not rush to make abortion illegal, since that only
>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> make things worse, but the idea that unborn children can be
>>>>>>> flippantly
>>>>>>> murdered in cold blood is just simply NASTY. Nowadays, you can not
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>> away
>>>>>>> with murdering a useless cat; You can not get away with murdering a
>>>>>>> dog;
>>>>>>> you can not get away with murdering an innocent lizard, and in most
>>>>>>> jurisdictions, you can not even cut down a tree without running
>>>>>>> afoul
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the law.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So why then should anyone get away with murdering a defenseless
>>>>>>> unborn
>>>>>>> child? On what grounds, exactly, might that level of cruelty be
>>>>>>> excused?
>>>>>> By
>>>>>>> what moral reasoning might a dog rate higher than an unborn infant?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyhow you look at it, abortion is a *TERRIBLY WICKED* thing to do,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> is why we should not be encouraging it as a society. While I would
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>> rush
>>>>>>> to criminalize abortion, I would work overtime to build a society
>>>> where
>>>>>>> unwanted pregnancies, and the need for abortion, are utterly
>>>> minimized.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (a.) If you don't want a child, grab a condom.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (b.) If you forget, or if you give in to indiscretion in a moment of
>>>>>>> heat
>>>>>>> and passion, use a morning-after pill to side-track pregnancy while
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> still early.
>>>>>>> (c.) Finally, in the unlikely event that everything fails, take some
>>>>>>> *PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY* for your own recklessness and have the
>>>> baby.
>>>>>> If
>>>>>>> you don't want the child, you can always give him away for adoption,
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> same way that Steve Jobs, or Babe Ruth, or Malcomn X, or Marilyn
>>>>>>> Monroe,
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> Mark Twain, were given out for adoption.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nobody should be cutting up the limbs of a 3-month old fetus. Its
>>>> nasty
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> cruel and *REALLY BARBARIC*, and it is really selfish to presume
>>>>>>> that
>>>> a
>>>>>>> woman's "choice" to save face after a reckless sexual choices
>>>>>>> supersedes
>>>>>>> the baby's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
>>>>>>> If you are pro the life of a cat or a lizard, the least you can do
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> pro the the life of an incubating human being.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Moving on ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Should abortion be permissible in cases of rape then? I frankly have
>>>> no
>>>>>>> clear answer. Rape is a horrible crime, and carrying an offspring
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>> rape
>>>>>>> must be extremely nauseating. I can not even begin to imagine how
>>>>>> traumatic
>>>>>>> that would be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet, I can not help but ask: as horrible as rape is, is
>>>>>>> slaughtering
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> innocent child any less horrible? I really don't know that it is. In
>>>> my
>>>>>>> book, people are people are people are people, whether they are tall
>>>> or
>>>>>>> short, rich or born, black or white, born or unborn. An innocent
>>>>>>> child
>>>>>>> conceived from even rape is in my opinion also entitled to life, to
>>>>>>> liberty, to kindness, to dignity, and to the pursuit of happiness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So should it be acceptable to abort babies conceived from rape? A
>>>>>>> YES
>>>>>>> answer is not completely satisfactory to moral sentiment.
>>>>>>> So if someone is raped, and they don't want a baby, I think they
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> a matter of urgency to take a Morning-after pill the very next day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, those are my thoughts. Yours are welcome.
>>>>>>>
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Pata nafasi mpya za Kazi www.kazibongo.blogspot.com
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