Re: [wanabidii] Is Rape A Good Excuse For Abortion?

Pauline,

I agree with you completely, and without any reservation. A woman has
the right to have or not have an abortion no matter how the pregnancy
came along.

Courage







On 8/23/12, Pauline Mengi <paulinemengi@gmail.com> wrote:
> Abortion is the moral right of a woman, rape or no rape
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Evans MACHERA
> <evansmachera@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> *We need to understand;-
>>
>> 1.What rape is and what a woman undergoes during and after the beastly
>> act.
>> 2.What is abortion and who is suited to make the decision of a abortion
>> or
>> not - in either position,should the woman be forced!
>> 3.Women are likely not to speak,but watch with horror the view the men
>> folk will spit out!
>> 4.Can incest be classified under rape!
>> 5.Can abortion be a form of treatment!
>>
>> Here below is a statement/guideline by the S.D.A Church in a situation
>> that calls on the abortion subject.
>> Guidelines on Abortion
>> Many contemporary societies have faced conflict over the morality of
>> abortion.* Such conflict also has affected large numbers within
>> Christianity who want to accept responsibility for the protection of
>> prenatal human life while also preserving the personal liberty of women.
>> The need for guidelines has become evident, as the Church attempts to
>> follow scripture, and to provide moral guidance while respecting
>> individual
>> conscience. Seventh-day Adventists want to relate to the question of
>> abortion in ways that reveal faith in God as the Creator and Sustainer of
>> all life and in ways that reflect Christian responsibility and freedom.
>> Though honest differences on the question of abortion exist among
>> Seventh-day Adventists, the following represents an attempt to provide
>> guidelines on a number of principles and issues. The guidelines are based
>> on broad biblical principles that are presented for study at the end of
>> the
>> document.**
>> 1) Prenatal human life is a magnificent gift of God. God's ideal for
>> human
>> beings affirms the sanctity of human life, in God's image, and requires
>> respect for prenatal life. However, decisions about life must be made in
>> the context of a fallen world. Abortion is never an action of little
>> moral
>> consequence. Thus prenatal life must not be thoughtlessly destroyed.
>> Abortion should be performed only for the most serious reasons.
>> 2) Abortion is one of the tragic dilemmas of human fallenness. The Church
>> should offer gracious support to those who personally face the decision
>> concerning an abortion. Attitudes of condemnation are inappropriate in
>> those who have accepted the gospel. Christians are commissioned to become
>> a
>> loving, caring community of faith that assists those in crisis as
>> alternatives are considered.
>> 3) In practical, tangible ways the Church as a supportive community
>> should
>> express its commitment to the value of human life. These ways should
>> include:
>>
>> a. strengthening family relationships
>> b. educating both genders concerning Christian principles of human
>> sexuality
>> c. emphasizing responsibility of both male and female for family planning
>> d. calling both to be responsible for the consequences of behaviors that
>> are inconsistent with Christian principles
>> e. creating a safe climate for ongoing discussion of the moral questions
>> associated with abortion
>> f. offering support and assistance to women who choose to complete crisis
>> pregnancies
>> g. encouraging and assisting fathers to participate responsibly in the
>> parenting of their children.
>>
>> The Church also should commit itself to assist in alleviating the
>> unfortunate social, economic, and psychological factors that add to
>> abortion and to care redemptively for those suffering the consequences of
>> individual decisions on this issue.
>> 4) The Church does not serve as conscience for individuals; however, it
>> should provide moral guidance. Abortions for reasons of birth control,
>> gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church. Women,
>> at
>> times however, may face exceptional circumstances that present serious
>> moral or medical dilemmas, such as significant threats to the pregnant
>> woman's life, serious jeopardy to her health, severe congenital defects
>> carefully diagnosed in the fetus, and pregnancy resulting from rape or
>> incest. The final decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not
>> should
>> be made by the pregnant woman after appropriate consultation. She should
>> be
>> aided in her decision by accurate information, biblical principles, and
>> the
>> guidance of the Holy Spirit. Moreover, these decisions are best made
>> within
>> the context of healthy family relationships.
>> 5) Christians acknowledge as first and foremost their accountability to
>> God. They seek balance between the exercise of individual liberty and
>> their
>> accountability to the faith community and the larger society and its
>> laws.
>> They make their choices according to scripture and the laws of God rather
>> than the norms of society. Therefore, any attempts to coerce women either
>> to remain pregnant or to terminate pregnancy should be rejected as
>> infringements of personal freedom.
>> 6) Church institutions should be provided with guidelines for developing
>> their own institutional policies in harmony with this statement. Persons
>> having a religious or ethical objection to abortion should not be
>> required
>> to participate in the performance of abortions.
>> 7) Church members should be encouraged to participate in the ongoing
>> consideration of their moral responsibilities with regard to abortion in
>> light of the teaching of scripture.
>>
>> *Principles for a Christian View of Life*
>> *Introduction*
>> "Now this is eternal life; that they may know you, the only true God, and
>> Jesus Christ whom you have sent" (John 17:3, *NIV*). In Christ is the
>> promise of eternal life; but since human life is mortal, humans are
>> confronted with difficult issues regarding life and death. The following
>> principles refer to the whole person (body, soul, and spirit), an
>> indivisible whole (Genesis 2:7; 1 Thessalonians 5:23).
>> *
>> Life: Our valuable gift from God*
>> 1) God is the Source, Giver, and Sustainer of all life (Acts 17:25,28;
>> Job
>> 33:4; Genesis 1:30, 2:7; Psalm 36:9; John 1:3,4).
>> 2) Human life has unique value because human beings, though fallen, are
>> created in the image of God (Genesis 1:27; Romans 3:23; 1 John 2:2; 1
>> John
>> 3:2; John 1:29; 1 Peter 1:18,19).
>> 3) God values human life not on the basis of human accomplishments or
>> contributions but because we are God's creation and the object of His
>> redeeming love (Romans 5:6,8; Ephesians 2:2-6; 1 Timothy 1:15; Titus
>> 3:4,5;
>> Matthew 5:43-48; Ephesians 2:4-9; John 1:3, 10:10).
>> *
>> Life: Our response to God's gift*
>> 4) Valuable as it is, human life is not the only or ultimate concern.
>> Self-sacrifice in devotion to God and His principles may take precedence
>> over life itself (Revelation 12:11; 1 Corinthians 13).
>> 5) God calls for the protection of human life and holds humanity
>> accountable for its destruction (Exodus 20:13; Revelation 21:8; Exodus
>> 23:7; Deuteronomy 24:16; Proverbs 6:16,17; Jeremiah 7:3-34; Micah 6:7;
>> Genesis 9:5,6).
>> 6) God is especially concerned for the protection of the weak, the
>> defenseless, and the oppressed (Psalm 82:3,4; James 1:27; Micah 6:8; Acts
>> 20:35; Proverbs 24:11,12; Luke 1:52-54).
>> 7) Christian love (agape) is the costly dedication of our lives to
>> enhancing the lives of others. Love also respects personal dignity and
>> does
>> not condone the oppression of one person to support the abusive behavior
>> of
>> another (Matthew 16:21; Philippians 2:1-11; 1 John 3:16; 1 John 4:8-11;
>> Matthew 22:39; John 18:22,23; John 13:34).
>> 8) The believing community is called to demonstrate Christian love in
>> tangible, practical, and substantive ways. God calls us to restore gently
>> the broken (Galatians 6:1,2; 1 John 3:17,18; Matthew 1:23; Philippians
>> 2:1-11; John 8:2-11; Romans 8:1-14; Matthew 7:1,2, 12:20; Isaiah 40:42,
>> 62:2-4).
>>
>> *Life: Our right and responsibility to decide*
>> 9) God gives humanity the freedom of choice, even if it leads to abuse
>> and tragic consequences. His unwillingness to coerce human obedience
>> necessitated the sacrifice of His Son. He requires us to use His gifts in
>> accordance with His will and ultimately will judge their misuse
>> (Deuteronomy 30:19,20; Genesis 3; 1 Peter 2:24; Romans 3:5,6, 6:1,2;
>> Galatians 5:13).
>> 10) God calls each of us individually to moral decision making and to
>> search the scriptures for the biblical principles underlying such choices
>> (John 5:39; Acts 17:11; 1 Peter 2:9; Romans 7:13-25).
>> 11) Decisions about human life from its beginning to its end are best
>> made
>> within the context of healthy family relationships with the support of
>> the
>> faith community (Exodus 20:12; Ephesians 5,6).
>> 12) Human decisions should always be centered in seeking the will of God
>> (Romans 12:2; Ephesians 6:6; Luke 22:42).
>> *Abortion, as understood in these guidelines, is defined as any action
>> aimed at the termination of a pregnancy already established. This is
>> distinguished from contraception, which is intended to prevent a
>> pregnancy.
>> The focus of the document is on abortion.
>> **The fundamental perspective of these guidelines is taken from a broad
>> study of scripture as shown in the "Principles for a Christian View of
>> Human Life" included at the end of this document.
>> _______________
>> *These guidelines were approved and voted by the General Conference of
>> Seventh-day Adventists Executive Committee at the Annual Council session
>> in
>> Silver Spring, Maryland, October 12, 1992.*
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>
>> *To:* wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:04 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [wanabidii] Is Rape A Good Excuse For Abortion?
>>
>> Banda,
>>
>> I agree with you completely. The Morning-after Pill should be the
>> first resort in a case of rape. If that is not possible, bear it and
>> carry the pregnancy then give the baby up for adoption. You do not
>> want to bring the kid up and be reminded of the rape forever. That is
>> the kindest thing to do for that kid. People have been known to
>> mistreat kids they bore from rape.
>>
>> Courage,
>> Oduor Maurice
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/23/12, Charles Banda <chasbanda@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Should abortion be permissible in cases of rape? That's jumping the
>> > gun.
>> > Before we discuss the propriety of abortion in the specific instance
>> > of
>> > rape, let us first establish a moral baseline by discussing the
>> > propriety
>> > of abortion in general.
>> >
>> > I want to be very clear: In my own opinion, abortion is a
>> *TERRIBLE*thing.
>> > Now, I would not rush to make abortion illegal, since that only seems
>> > to
>> > make things worse, but the idea that unborn children can be flippantly
>> > murdered in cold blood is just simply NASTY. Nowadays, you can not get
>> away
>> > with murdering a useless cat; You can not get away with murdering a
>> > dog;
>> > you can not get away with murdering an innocent lizard, and in most
>> > jurisdictions, you can not even cut down a tree without running afoul
>> > of
>> > the law.
>> >
>> > So why then should anyone get away with murdering a defenseless unborn
>> > child? On what grounds, exactly, might that level of cruelty be
>> > excused?
>> By
>> > what moral reasoning might a dog rate higher than an unborn infant?
>> >
>> > Anyhow you look at it, abortion is a *TERRIBLY WICKED* thing to do,
>> which
>> > is why we should not be encouraging it as a society. While I would not
>> rush
>> > to criminalize abortion, I would work overtime to build a society where
>> > unwanted pregnancies, and the need for abortion, are utterly minimized.
>> >
>> > (a.) If you don't want a child, grab a condom.
>> >
>> > (b.) If you forget, or if you give in to indiscretion in a moment of
>> > heat
>> > and passion, use a morning-after pill to side-track pregnancy while it
>> > is
>> > still early.
>> > (c.) Finally, in the unlikely event that everything fails, take some
>> > *PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY* for your own recklessness and have the baby.
>> If
>> > you don't want the child, you can always give him away for adoption,
>> > the
>> > same way that Steve Jobs, or Babe Ruth, or Malcomn X, or Marilyn
>> > Monroe,
>> or
>> > Mark Twain, were given out for adoption.
>> >
>> > Nobody should be cutting up the limbs of a 3-month old fetus. Its nasty
>> and
>> > cruel and *REALLY BARBARIC*, and it is really selfish to presume that a
>> > woman's "choice" to save face after a reckless sexual choices
>> > supersedes
>> > the baby's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
>> > If you are pro the life of a cat or a lizard, the least you can do is
>> > be
>> > pro the the life of an incubating human being.
>> >
>> > Moving on ...
>> >
>> > Should abortion be permissible in cases of rape then? I frankly have no
>> > clear answer. Rape is a horrible crime, and carrying an offspring from
>> rape
>> > must be extremely nauseating. I can not even begin to imagine how
>> traumatic
>> > that would be.
>> >
>> >
>> > Yet, I can not help but ask: as horrible as rape is, is slaughtering
>> > an
>> > innocent child any less horrible? I really don't know that it is. In my
>> > book, people are people are people are people, whether they are tall or
>> > short, rich or born, black or white, born or unborn. An innocent child
>> > conceived from even rape is in my opinion also entitled to life, to
>> > liberty, to kindness, to dignity, and to the pursuit of happiness.
>> >
>> > So should it be acceptable to abort babies conceived from rape? A YES
>> > answer is not completely satisfactory to moral sentiment.
>> > So if someone is raped, and they don't want a baby, I think they
>> > should
>> as
>> > a matter of urgency to take a Morning-after pill the very next day.
>> >
>> > Anyway, those are my thoughts. Yours are welcome.
>> >
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